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Author Subject: Timing out on replacement Engine... To fit or not to Fit
swervygerdy

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Post #1
Hi Folks

brief history..... my own engine (xu10j4rs) spun a bearing and I picked up a 2nd hand engine while my own gets rebuilt.

Before installing I thought it prudent to replace the timing belt etc... However upon inspection it would appear that the timing is "out".

the pistons are not level and using a solid pulley (to negate any error with the harmonic balancer) the bottom pin does not align...

cam timing pins are ok.

any advice in how to proceed? should I time it up correctly and fit it. or is any degree out of time likely to have caused damage..

many thanks

Gerry


Posted 30th Mar 2022 at 11:28
welshpug!

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Post #2
pin the cams, take belt off, rotate crank till timing hole lines up, do not make full rotation.

easy.

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Posted 30th Mar 2022 at 13:53
welshpug!

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Post #3
as for whether any damage is present, only taking the head off and removing the valves will tell. how far out is it?

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Posted 30th Mar 2022 at 13:54
swervygerdy

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Posted 30th Mar 2022 at 17:56
swervygerdy

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Post #5
apologies, still getting the hang of uploading photos.

cheers welshpug, hopefully photo shows how far out the timing is..
Posted 30th Mar 2022 at 18:00
swervygerdy

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Posted 30th Mar 2022 at 18:02
S8-Tom

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Post #7
It may be that the timing is actually ok and the rubber in the harmonic balancer/crank pulley has migrated since the last belt change (wishful thinking?).

If it's any reassurance, when I pinned mine for the first time it was about half the pin width out on the crank pulley and there was no damage.

I'd suggest:
Pin the cams
Remove the belt
Remove the crank pulley
Align the woodruff key as shown in post #7 in this thread
Fit new belt & give it a couple of rotations

Fit the engine and see how you go. Even if damage has been done, it's a temporary engine and it'll probably see you through until the original is ready to go back in.

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Posted 31st Mar 2022 at 11:02
rudolf

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Post #8
OP stated he tried a solid pulley and was still out. If cambelt very old, could be caused by stretching?

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Posted 31st Mar 2022 at 16:03
welshpug!

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Post #9
cambelts don't stretch that much, if both cams pin easily then the standard damped pulley has started slipping the last time it was done, and has slipped a little further since.

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Posted 31st Mar 2022 at 18:50
swervygerdy

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Post #10
the top photo shows how far the timing is out with a solid pulley (from another xu engine and only being used to check timing)

I think welshpug is right. timing is out for sure ( pistons don't line up / solid pulley doesn't pin /woodruff key in crank pulley is not dead on 9 o clock. needs set properly.

no way to tell if it's damaged without splitting it.....or fire it in and hope for the best....

Posted 1st Apr 2022 at 19:50
rudolf

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Post #11
Depends if you bought it off someone who ran the engine and it worked okay without tapping.

If you have the time, replace the cambelt kit and try it out?

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X Reg Astor in need of TLC
R Reg Nile to restore
Set of Lions to fit.
Posted 2nd Apr 2022 at 08:42

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