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Author Subject: Subframe removal FAQ
eiei0

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Post #1
Hi Guys

Has there ever been a subframe removal FAQ, it's on my list and looks a bit daunting,

Any pointers,

Thanks
Trevor
Posted 8th Oct 2020 at 08:15
Joep

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Post #2
Full removal, or just lowering it to gain access to parts?

For just lowering to gain access, you have to undo the bolts at the rear, and the ones above the wishbones that fit in the cups. These are in most cases very rusted and prone to break. So, use a lot of MoS2 rust remover. Soak it for days.

Removing the whole subframe, I think one has to remove the lower engine mount and the gearbox lever. But maybe someone with experience can comment on this.

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Posted 8th Oct 2020 at 09:49
alcon

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Post #3
Removal of the subframe isn't difficult, it's only bolted on. However there is a fair bit of stuff you need to remove first in order to get it out.

Are you removing it as part of a larger scale refurb or just want it out to clean it up?

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Posted 8th Oct 2020 at 10:14
eiei0

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Post #4
Thanks for the replies, I'm generally taking everything off the car cleaning and painting it and refitting so ideally id like to fully remove it,

There seems to have been years of oil leaks going by the half an inch of sludge under the car so I'd like to get in and around the engine to see if I can find them, dropping the subframe should make that easier,

I'm not planning on removing the engine if at all possible

Thanks
Trevor
Posted 8th Oct 2020 at 11:55
Joep

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Post #5
Sludge can also just be dirt from the road. Maybe with a bit of oil...

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Posted 8th Oct 2020 at 12:55
eiei0

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Around the sump is very wet looking, I haven't looked to much into it, I started at the back as I thought it would be easier,

I keep hearing mention of things called "Hockey Sticks" what are these ??
Posted 8th Oct 2020 at 13:27
Ben_W

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Depends non how you want to go about it but there are a number of different ways.

On the breakers I've done, I disconnect the hubs from the bottom arms, bottom engine mount off, disconnect the power steering pipes, undo the ARB from the drop links, and undo the 6 bolts and drop the whole thing off. Might be something I've missed but that's what springs to mind

It's a bit rough and ready, but for a breaker it's fine.

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Posted 8th Oct 2020 at 14:11
S8-Tom

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Post #8
eiei0 wrote:
I keep hearing mention of things called "Hockey Sticks" what are these ??


They're a pair of seals that sit either side of the flywheel-end main bearing cap, you can see the ends protruding in the pic below.

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Posted 8th Oct 2020 at 14:17
eiei0

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Let's hope these are not leaking as I've no idea how I'd tackle that,

Are there any other known places that leak, I also seen mention of seals on the clutch fork lever not sure how much issue that would cause,
Posted 8th Oct 2020 at 15:29
blandy

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Post #10
I took mine off a the weekend -


Remove the lower engine mount bolt
Drop the lower ball joints off the hubs,
Disconnect the track rod ends
Remove the bolt in the uj from the rack to the column
4 bolts at the back and 2 bolts in the cups which are prone to seizing.
and lower the lot down.

Posted 8th Oct 2020 at 16:18
eiei0

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Does the rack come with it, will I need to disconnect the hyd pipes ??

Thanks
Trevor

PS You make it sound so easy I have no doubt I will be screaming at it when I go to do it Big grin
Posted 8th Oct 2020 at 16:38
blandy

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Post #12
Ah yes sorry I don’t run power steering so yes remove the hoses to the rack.
Or unbolt the rack from the subframe and leave it on the car.
Posted 8th Oct 2020 at 17:20
eiei0

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Post #13
I have been under the car for a good while tonight and I can't work out where to split the power steering pipes, is there no where handier than right at the universial joint??

Also at the front do you take the big bolt out of the cup or the 2 small ones in the cup??

Thanks
Trevor
Posted 26th Oct 2020 at 23:18
Joep

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Post #14
Steering pipes you have to split at the ram. I do not think there is any other easier way...

At the front, I tried to remove the big bolt. I did not use any rust remover resulting in a broken bolt. If possible, I would remove the small bolts so that the cup remains attached to the subframe. When the subframe is removed you will see why removing the big bolt will need a lot of patience and rust remover...

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Posted 27th Oct 2020 at 07:45
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dont need to touch the ram

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Posted 27th Oct 2020 at 12:34
Joep

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Where would you disconnect them? For me there was no other option as I had to remove the ram anyway... But would like to know for future projects.

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Posted 27th Oct 2020 at 13:36
eiei0

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When you say ram I think you mean just under the UJ not the actual hydraulic ram yes??

Posted 27th Oct 2020 at 14:24
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yup, 2 unions there on the pinion valve body.

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Posted 27th Oct 2020 at 18:14
eiei0

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Post #19
I left it behind just dropped the subframe,

Good call on not trying to open the big bolt in the cups, think I will need the gas for them,

Posted 28th Oct 2020 at 01:41

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