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 gbryn
Regular  Location: Anglesey Registered: 08 Feb 2008 Posts: 108 Status: Offline |
Post #1
Had a headache this week trying to get the Rallye to start (first time in 5ish years)Fuel pump is primming. (Replaced relay for good measure) Replaced cam and crank sensors. Engine neg is good! ECU pins look good. No spark! Im getting 12v at the injectors for a few seconds when the pump is primming then it drops to 0v.. What else can I check? Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.  |
 Posted 6th Jul 2018 at 18:38
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mocinim
Seasoned Pro  Location: The Darkside of bedford :) Registered: 09 Jan 2015 Posts: 2,307 Status: Offline |
Post #2
Just had something very simular turned out to be the negative earth leads on the batteryCables where half bolloxed not allowing enough current to pass to start her but volages where good on the meter Quick way to.see if its that put a jump cable between the negative and the block (clamp it yo the lifting eye ) ________________________________________ BLACK RALLYE - phoenixWHITE RALLYE - valliant http://public.servicebox.peugeot.com/ https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-history |
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Posted 6th Jul 2018 at 20:36
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gbryn
Regular Location: Anglesey Registered: 08 Feb 2008 Posts: 108 Status: Offline |
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quote: [quote="mocinim"]Just had something very simular turned out to be the negative earth leads on the battery Cables where half bolloxed not allowing enough current to pass to start her but volages where good on the meter Quick way to.see if its that put a jump cable between the negative and the block (clamp it yo the lifting eye ) Cheers, I will give it a try! |
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Posted 6th Jul 2018 at 21:14
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gbryn
Regular Location: Anglesey Registered: 08 Feb 2008 Posts: 108 Status: Offline |
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quote: [quote="gbryn"] quote: [quote="mocinim"]Just had something very simular turned out to be the negative earth leads on the battery Cables where half bolloxed not allowing enough current to pass to start her but volages where good on the meter Quick way to.see if its that put a jump cable between the negative and the block (clamp it yo the lifting eye ) Cheers, I will give it a try! Gave it a go, still no luck... |
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Posted 6th Jul 2018 at 22:08
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Joep
Regular  Location: Urmond (The Netherlands) Registered: 19 Sep 2013 Posts: 463 Status: Offline |
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I follow this thread with high interest. A guy in the Netherlands is having the same issue on his 2.0 16v convertible. We are troubleshooting with a couple of guys for over a week, still no success.The suggestion above was tried as well... And starting with full throttle did not start the car... Maybe, as the car stood for a while, can it be that precipitants in the fuel clogg the fuel filter? ________________________________________ My car park:'96 Sigma Blue XSi6 '98 Diablo Red GTi6 '99 Onyx Black S16 All RFS powered! Plus various other Peugeots |
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Posted 7th Jul 2018 at 09:04
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mocinim
Seasoned Pro Location: The Darkside of bedford :) Registered: 09 Jan 2015 Posts: 2,307 Status: Offline |
Post #6
Have you checked the duel relay on the back of the battery box This relay controls spark and fuel injection timing ________________________________________ BLACK RALLYE - phoenixWHITE RALLYE - valliant http://public.servicebox.peugeot.com/ https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-history |
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Posted 7th Jul 2018 at 10:26
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gbryn
Regular Location: Anglesey Registered: 08 Feb 2008 Posts: 108 Status: Offline |
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quote: [quote="mocinim"]Have you checked the duel relay on the back of the battery box This relay controls spark and fuel injection timing Fuel pump is primming, I have 12v feed at the injectors during primming, then drops to 0v after primming, is this normal or should it have continuous 12v after primming too? Cheers. |
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Posted 7th Jul 2018 at 11:01
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pug_306
Seasoned Pro  Location: Great Hockham Registered: 28 May 2013 Posts: 1,593 Status: Offline |
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Check your antenna is plugged in and fitted correctly, do you have a donor ECU to try ? ________________________________________ 1998 Supercharged White Rallye1992 205 GTi6 205 Turbo 340bhp |
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Posted 7th Jul 2018 at 11:23
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gbryn
Regular Location: Anglesey Registered: 08 Feb 2008 Posts: 108 Status: Offline |
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quote: [quote="pug_306"]Check your antenna is plugged in and fitted correctly, do you have a donor ECU to try ?  No, don’t have a donor ECU to try.. I’ll see if I can find one, are they known for packin in? |
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Posted 7th Jul 2018 at 15:25
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rudolf
Seasoned Pro Location: Skelmersdale Registered: 07 Apr 2004 Posts: 2,769 Status: Offline |
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quote: [quote="gbryn"] quote: [quote="pug_306"]Check your antenna is plugged in and fitted correctly, do you have a donor ECU to try ? No, don’t have a donor ECU to try.. I’ll see if I can find one, are they known for packin in? You'll need an unlocked one or have the chip ________________________________________ S Reg Diablo standardsSpec SORNEDR Reg Nile standard spec written off then repaired X Reg Astor in need of TLC R Reg Nile to restore Set of Lions to fit. |
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Posted 8th Jul 2018 at 20:24
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gbryn
Regular Location: Anglesey Registered: 08 Feb 2008 Posts: 108 Status: Offline |
Post #11
Picked an ECU up this afternoon (soft unlocked) still the same...I get 12v to the coils and injectors during primming then drops out. Should it have continuous 12v after primming also?.. |
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Posted 8th Jul 2018 at 20:29
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Joep
Regular Location: Urmond (The Netherlands) Registered: 19 Sep 2013 Posts: 463 Status: Offline |
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The guy in the Netherlands had a broken timing belt... When he got the car he was not sure on whem the belt was replaced and did not wnat to spend money on a new one :sNo he is out of cash and needs to sell the broken convertible... One suggestion he got was to check if timing was still okay. ________________________________________ My car park:'96 Sigma Blue XSi6 '98 Diablo Red GTi6 '99 Onyx Black S16 All RFS powered! Plus various other Peugeots |
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Posted 9th Jul 2018 at 08:15
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mocinim
Seasoned Pro Location: The Darkside of bedford :) Registered: 09 Jan 2015 Posts: 2,307 Status: Offline |
Post #13
Can you hear the pump priming Pretty sure the priming circuit only supplies 12v whilst priming then drops off Is it trying to start Or is it just not responding Is there power at the dash when the ignition is switched on Or is it all as normal but just wont start e.g turn key all lights come on then wont start As much info as possible will help chap Describe all if you can chap ________________________________________ BLACK RALLYE - phoenixWHITE RALLYE - valliant http://public.servicebox.peugeot.com/ https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-history |
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Posted 9th Jul 2018 at 12:22
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silky
Seasoned Pro  Location: Chelmsford, Essex Registered: 29 Dec 2002 Posts: 3,470 Status: Offline |
Post #14
It’s not the engine cut off switch under the bonnet is it? The big red button? |
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Posted 9th Jul 2018 at 19:59
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mocinim
Seasoned Pro Location: The Darkside of bedford :) Registered: 09 Jan 2015 Posts: 2,307 Status: Offline |
Post #15
NOT THE BIG RED BUTTON !!!!! O s**t !!!!!________________________________________ BLACK RALLYE - phoenixWHITE RALLYE - valliant http://public.servicebox.peugeot.com/ https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-history |
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Posted 9th Jul 2018 at 21:42
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miki4
Regular  Location: Cologne Registered: 09 Nov 2015 Posts: 389 Status: Offline |
Post #16
Fuel pump should not be priming if it was the big red button. |
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Posted 10th Jul 2018 at 00:27
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #17
It does sound like an immobiliser problem.Fuel pump will still prime with immobiliser but spark will be cut. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
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Posted 12th Jul 2018 at 22:03
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armzsc6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Crowborough Registered: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 3,445 Status: Offline |
Post #18
Mine suddenly lost spark when the crank sensor died. It would crank and crank and crank then backfire like a goodun and had no spark. Worth a try for a few quid. Get a Bougicord one from a factors ________________________________________ Black power baby! SUUUUUPERCHARGED Seat Leon FR TDI 190BHP 300lbft daily gti-6 killer :p 12x 306's owned so far Cambelts, clutches, service work carried out on All makes and models, Peugeot Citroen / mitsubishi specialist. Pug planet / Citroen Lexia diagnostics / code reads available. |
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Posted 13th Jul 2018 at 22:47
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #19
He has already replaced both the cam and crank sensor Pete...________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 14th Jul 2018 at 06:34
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gbryn
Regular Location: Anglesey Registered: 08 Feb 2008 Posts: 108 Status: Offline |
Post #20
Thanks for the replies.. Bought a known good soft unlocked ecu this week, still cranking but no spark after primming. Convinced it was the transponder aerial, fitted a new one on Friday, still the same!.. Is there a certain sequence to fit a soft unlocked ecu?.. My next step will be to get hold of an OBD reader to check if the ecu is unlocking with the key.. |
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Posted 15th Jul 2018 at 09:46
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Rich E
Forum Admin Location: Hertfordshire Registered: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 7,757 Status: Offline |
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quote: [quote="gbryn"] Thanks for the replies.. Bought a known good soft unlocked ecu this week, still cranking but no spark after primming. Convinced it was the transponder aerial, fitted a new one on Friday, still the same!.. Is there a certain sequence to fit a soft unlocked ecu?.. My next step will be to get hold of an OBD reader to check if the ecu is unlocking with the key.. The important thing with a soft unlocked ECU is to unplug the immobiliser unit in the car before fitting the ECU, otherwise the ECU will lock again when the ignition is switched on. The immobiliser unit will do a code check with the ECU, which will fail, and the ECU will lock. ________________________________________ Rich |
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Posted 15th Jul 2018 at 12:06
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davidmartin
Seasoned Pro  Location: Beautifull Ystalyfera Registered: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 3,314 Status: Offline |
Post #22
Just had to do mine, it was the crank sensor. bit of info I used Fuel-Parts CS1014, there's one on ebay for £12 if any one needs oneClicky ________________________________________ pet hate, the cat |
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Posted 22nd Jul 2018 at 20:41
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Cjwatson27
Seasoned Pro  Location: Oxford Registered: 17 Sep 2013 Posts: 1,968 Status: Offline |
Post #23
I’ve got a phase1 ecu if you get stuck I’d need it back tho ________________________________________ Old pugs don't die they just get faster |
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Posted 23rd Jul 2018 at 19:37
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gbryn
Regular Location: Anglesey Registered: 08 Feb 2008 Posts: 108 Status: Offline |
Post #24
quote: [quote="Rich E"] quote: [quote="gbryn"] Thanks for the replies.. Bought a known good soft unlocked ecu this week, still cranking but no spark after primming. Convinced it was the transponder aerial, fitted a new one on Friday, still the same!.. Is there a certain sequence to fit a soft unlocked ecu?.. My next step will be to get hold of an OBD reader to check if the ecu is unlocking with the key.. The important thing with a soft unlocked ECU is to unplug the immobiliser unit in the car before fitting the ECU, otherwise the ECU will lock again when the ignition is switched on. The immobiliser unit will do a code check with the ECU, which will fail, and the ECU will lock. Ah right, I didn’t unplug the immobiliser unit.. If the new ecu is now locked, is it possible to unlock it again?.. Cheers |
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Posted 12th Aug 2018 at 08:07
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gbryn
Regular Location: Anglesey Registered: 08 Feb 2008 Posts: 108 Status: Offline |
Post #25
quote: [quote="Cjwatson27"]I’ve got a phase1 ecu if you get stuck I’d need it back tho Thanks for the offer. |
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Posted 12th Aug 2018 at 08:08
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