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Author Subject: S/C 306 only getting power at one coil?
rallyeash

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Hello!
Been working with my mate on his HB SC 306 and we can't get the thing started now. After rectifying some awful wiring extensions which were carried out by the previous owner for the SC conversion I thought we'd cracked it. But still no joy.

After trying another crank sensor and poking around with a multi meter we are only getting power at one coil pack!

Anyone else had this. Tried another fuel pump relay already.

Thanks Ash

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Posted 9th Jan 2016 at 19:23
adam b

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Earths all ok?
Cam sensor wiring ok?
You getting power to both sides of the relay?
Fuses and relays all check out?

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Posted 9th Jan 2016 at 20:42
rallyeash

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Yes to all. Have even looped out the relay out the system to try.

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Posted 9th Jan 2016 at 20:56
adam b

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Yay. Sounds horrendous...

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Posted 9th Jan 2016 at 21:01
adam b

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Have a spare ecu to try?

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Posted 9th Jan 2016 at 21:03
rallyeash

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I know. Hence after head scratching most of today and not really getting far I'd stick a thread up.
I don't have, an ecu fault has crossed my mind.

Aren't all ecu's unlocked with a lynx map? I did think we maybe locked the ecu by accident as we had the ecu removed at one point to drill through the bulkhead for fittings on the fuel system. But surely wouldn't be getting a spark and also voltage at one coilpack. (No 1)

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Posted 9th Jan 2016 at 21:10
welshpug!

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Post #7
power to the coils are from the same feed on the relay, theres a splice or two in the loom.

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Posted 9th Jan 2016 at 21:41
rallyeash

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But I don't understand how it was running and now we only have power to one coil? Doesn't make sense to me.

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Posted 9th Jan 2016 at 23:06
6waysforward

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Post #9
Not all of richs ecu were unlocked. That was only done at the customers request i believe.
The lbsc car i bought had a locked ecu, had to send it back to rich to get it unlocked to be able to use it on my car.

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Posted 10th Jan 2016 at 00:24
welshpug!

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things break!

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Posted 10th Jan 2016 at 08:31
cully

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have you 12v at each coil pack? measured to ground?
as welshpug says they are common fed from the relay with the ecu switching the ground sink
Posted 10th Jan 2016 at 08:58
rallyeash

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Post #12
No I have 12v and piston 1 coilpack. Nothing on anything else. Being common fed should all have power or nothing. When we couldn't start it first I chucked a new set of plugs in. And number 1 was the only one that went carbonated when it wouldn't start.

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Posted 10th Jan 2016 at 21:11
welshpug!

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so check the wiring.

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Posted 10th Jan 2016 at 21:16
ravemercer

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Noticed on mine today tiny splits in both cables as they go in to the back of the plugs on the coils where the rubbery bit is and it looks like both bare cables are touching. lots of the cables and plugs are starting to show their age and split.
Posted 10th Jan 2016 at 21:38
rallyeash

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Haven't stripped it all back but it looks all ok. Could an ecu give these symptoms?

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Posted 10th Jan 2016 at 21:44
welshpug!

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no.

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Posted 10th Jan 2016 at 23:49
rallyeash

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Right, after more head scratching and hours spent getting nowhere the car still wont start..

We have looped out the red switch on the bulkhead, stripped back the injector loom, cut out the joiner where the single wire splits into four and remade it incase this had failed. We are getting 9.5v on the single white incoming wire and getting 9.5v to each coilpack on the plugs.

However we have only got a spark physically coming out of one coilpack. Next logical thought was maybe somehow three coil packs have gone down (probably more chance winning the lottery) however we tried each coil pack on the plug which was actually giving us a spark and every coil pack worked so that ruled out coils
I think the spark we are getting from one coil isnt as strong as it should be either.

What voltage should we actually be getting at the plugs? My only thought at the moment is we arent getting enough voltage down to the coils and it is just about giving us a spark out of one plug with the least resistance?

Im at a loss currently!

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Posted 14th Mar 2016 at 10:48
welshpug!

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you should have battery voltage there, not 9.5, unless your battery is goosed and is giving 9.5v...


check you have Battery voltage to each pin that should have it in the double relay, basically follow the circuit backwards till you find where the lack of volts is occurring.

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Posted 14th Mar 2016 at 10:35
mocinim

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Im sure you should be getting closer to 12v at the plugs you have a volt drop somewhere on the line somewhere you have an increased resistance at a guess

Or s**tty battery

Is it trying to turn over or just clicking and nothing

Also do you have lights dash etc

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Posted 14th Mar 2016 at 10:37
rallyeash

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Battery is a new Bosch one and spins the car over well, has 12v on my meter.

Everything else works as it should. Cranks over, dash all works well etc

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Posted 14th Mar 2016 at 10:50
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Try changing the coil pack that appears to be working ??

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Posted 14th Mar 2016 at 11:28
rallyeash

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They all work fine on one plug. However none work on the other three

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Posted 14th Mar 2016 at 11:58
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Post #23
Should be well over 12v on a new battery - about 12.6-13v depending what it is. 12v is flat.

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Posted 14th Mar 2016 at 11:58
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Next guess would be faulty plug mate probably the second in line
Think its a parallel circuit so a broken wire after the first plug could give this effect

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Posted 14th Mar 2016 at 12:18
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Rip it out start again

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