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GTi6-PJL

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Hoping someone on here can help - does this sound like a tapper?



Looking through the history file I got when I purchased the car, it has had the cambelt let go back in 2006, and the garage that sorted it noted the head was sent off and repaired, along with new valves etc (I'll update with the actual wording later as I don't have it to hand). Since I bought the car back in October 2013 it's had a new cambelt & service with Total Quartz 9000 as I didn't want to take any chances (this was done in Feb this year, and wasn't driven before this - long story!). Since this the car has done 300 miles, but it still makes this tapping noise - originally I was hoping that it was a noisy tappet as it hadn't turned a wheel for 18 months, but I would have thought that this would have cleared up by now if it was that? I've given it some welly once the oil is up to temperature (and only then).

Obviously I want to rectify this sooner rather than later, as the last thing I want is for the valve(s) to let go and do more terminal damage. Is anyone able to give a rough price for a replacement head & fitting, or is it a case of "how long is a piece of string?", and how long would it take (I use the car daily for work). If there's anyone close to Essex that would be good, but I'm happy to travel a reasonable distance to get it done properly if needs be.

Thanks in advance!

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Posted 16th Apr 2014 at 14:26
honestly3k

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Sounds like a tapper to me I'm afraid to say bud Sad

Tapping increases with the revs.

So just to clarify it made this tapping before you recently had the belt done and oil change?

In which case I would guess the garage that did the head repair originally didn't do it properly in the first place, be it timing the engine up once refitting the head. That's assuming the head was sent off from the garage to a reputable place to have the head rebuilt and they did it properly.

Somewhere along the line someones done something wrong I would imagine.

Only place I know of that really does head repairs are CG cars in Leicester....and probably be around £700-£800 I would imagine Sad

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Posted 16th Apr 2014 at 15:36
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Yep, it did this before I had the cambelt changed. I was rather optimistic that it was a sticky tappet, but ah well - live and learn!

I'll dig out the receipt I have from 2006 and upload that tonight, but I'm guessing they didn't quite do everything that was needed to fix the damage. It's done 20k since 2006, but I want to fix it before it takes the whole engine with it!

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Posted 16th Apr 2014 at 15:45
honestly3k

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From what I've read its very easy to create a tapper with these engines when actually refitting the head to the bottom end and timing the whole thing up. So provided the head rebuild was done right (and you expect it was if done at a specialised place), then its the garage who refitted it to blame.

s**t luck!

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Posted 16th Apr 2014 at 15:43
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Here's the invoice I have from 2006 when one of the previous owners had the car "fixed" after the cambelt failed. Apologies for the average quality - compressed Photobucket upload from my phone!



I've deliberately covered the details of the garage that fitted it.

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Posted 16th Apr 2014 at 18:52
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Yep, that's a tapper. Yes Sad

As stated you're looking around £700-£800 to have these fixed.
I used to do loads of them back in the day, but sadly as the cars are worth so little (money wise) these days, people are reluctant to spend that kind of money fixing the noise.

It's sad really, but a sign of the times.

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Posted 16th Apr 2014 at 20:30
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I see your point Stan. It's a catch 22 though isn't it - keep driving it until it lets go, then sell the car for scrap, or fix it and keep it on the road. Selling it would be at a huge loss, and there's no guarantee a replacement engine would be perfect (and even then at minimum I would do a cambelt service as a matter of course).

The way I see it is it's no worse than having a cambelt service done on a Clio 182, which could be argued is the modern equivalent. There's no point me crying about the costs, as we all know no car is 100% perfect!

Given you have experience with these engines, would you agree that it definitely isn't a sticky tappet?

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Posted 16th Apr 2014 at 20:47
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That is 100% a tapper and as I see no guides have been replaced on the head work I would say that is the problem !

There is a good engine builder down my way by the name of Bret Simms that can sort that head or get your self another one and get it overhauled or take a risk and get a known good one ?

It's about £400 ish to sort the head then parts to fit it and labour if you pay someone else Yes
Posted 16th Apr 2014 at 21:04
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As Bowen says, 100% a tapper I'm afraid. That'll need head work. Yes

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Posted 16th Apr 2014 at 23:08
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Thanks guys - much appreciated. Looks like the bank account is going to take another hammering then, but it'll be worth it in the end. At least everything else is cheap to fix (relatively speaking) on these!

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Posted 17th Apr 2014 at 08:56
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Just make sure it dont tap when you get it back. If it does, make them do it again. Wink

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Posted 17th Apr 2014 at 10:05
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Don't worry Aaron6 - I'm going to make sure this is done correctly, so I'll probably take it a specialist in these cars. It seems Shepherd Motors in Chelmsford have experience with these engines (at least according to the Recommended Garages thread), so I'll pop up to them and see what they say, then go from there.

The irritating thing is a friend has an R plate GTi on 150,000 miles and the engine is as quiet as a mouse, yet mine with less miles (69,000, and on a W plate) sounds like a sewing machine!

I've learned a valuable lesson from all this - 1 being never trust a garage from Birmingham to do a proper job, and 2 being I shouldn't have bought the first car I saw. Ah well - once bitten, twice shy as they say...

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Posted 17th Apr 2014 at 11:59
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Very true mate,good luck in getting this sorted Smile

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Posted 17th Apr 2014 at 12:01
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My beloved manstone was on 166K when it got rear ended and written off and the engine was still going, no head gasket issues either!



I think the engine was rebuilt to some degree when I bought it on 60K but unsure if it snapped a belt or what. Whoever did it though, did it right as it was a non tapper. And lapped up the miles....poor thing would have easily gone to 200K and beyond I would have imagined Sad

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Posted 17th Apr 2014 at 12:51
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As above mine, according to receipts I have, was a snapper at around 60k in around 2005, repaired by a pug dealer, 16 new valves, guides etc. now at 140k and still going strong.

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Posted 17th Apr 2014 at 15:34

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