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| Author | Subject: Brake upgrade, what calipers? |
 Nose
Senior User  Location: Birmingham Registered: 23 Jun 2013 Posts: 994 Status: Offline |
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Hi guys, typical newbie question, I've searched FAQ's and can't find what i'm looking for What calipers and discs would be a direct fit onto my Rallye. I can see many threads on sooooooo many brake set up's, but is there a particular set up to use; ie discs from a 406 Coupe and calipers from a bmw530i etc. cheers all. ________________________________________ Bianca 306 Rallye.Mondeo Titanium X. |
 Posted 5th Nov 2013 at 23:07
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rich306
Seasoned Pro  Location: Portsmouth Registered: 09 Aug 2009 Posts: 1,834 Status: Offline |
Post #2
I've heard the Brembo 406 calipers are a nice way to go ________________________________________ Richies Project RallyeElectrical work carried out in Portsmouth jamiek_uk2000 wrote: - Top Tip!!! You'll need to throw money at the car. Not on parts. Just stand near your car and throw loose change at it, I find this increases performance for a short period of time |
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Posted 6th Nov 2013 at 07:58
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #3
A good performing setup is Brembos from a 406 Coupe along with Xantia 288mm discs.You would need to ensure that your particular wheel fits with these though as not all do. The only downside to this setup is they are known to squeal A LOT. This is generally only under light braking though, so if you were only looking for track use where they would be used heavily then it wouldn't be an issue.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
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Posted 6th Nov 2013 at 09:43
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fordygti
Seasoned Pro  Location: Walpole St Andrew Registered: 07 Dec 2009 Posts: 1,257 Status: Offline |
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I've got some nice 225 Renault sport calipers with everything you need to get them running.  ________________________________________ 98 onyx black 306 Rallye53 Nissan Primastar silver (work horse) 58 black Volvo c30 sport |
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Posted 6th Nov 2013 at 10:56
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Nose
Senior User Location: Birmingham Registered: 23 Jun 2013 Posts: 994 Status: Offline |
Post #5
fordygti wrote: I've got some nice 225 Renault sport calipers with everything you need to get them running. Many thanks for the offer, but i'm just asking at the moment  ________________________________________ Bianca 306 Rallye.Mondeo Titanium X. |
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Posted 8th Nov 2013 at 20:52
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aaron6
Seasoned Pro  Location: On the sofa in maidstone Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 5,840 Status: Offline |
Post #6
I personally will be going for a willwood set-up so I can keep my clones and not run stupid spacers. ________________________________________ See the sheer power and might of the lesser known burrowing owl. |
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Posted 9th Nov 2013 at 07:34
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
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aaron6 wrote: I personally will be going for a willwood set-up so I can keep my clones and not run stupid spacers. That's ok, but for track use I'd recommend a larger diameter combination especially to help dissipate the extra heat generated on track. If you're not going to visit the track then they'll be fine. Seeing as you're main event is Pugfest, they'll be great for that though. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 9th Nov 2013 at 10:30
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aaron6
Seasoned Pro Location: On the sofa in maidstone Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 5,840 Status: Offline |
Post #8
They should still be a decent improvement on standard setup id have thought. Im also contemplating stripping mine and starting track days but would still want to keep the clones. Im sure willwoods and good pads would be sufficient. A lot of people still use standard stuff on track with few issues. Its the problem with 15s. Choice is limited. ________________________________________ See the sheer power and might of the lesser known burrowing owl. |
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Posted 9th Nov 2013 at 11:28
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #9
Indeed, they will be a big improvement over the standard setup - I would just rather have a bigger setup to ensure overheating/fade was kept to a minimum, or in the case of 330's it's zero.Would be good if you did decide to hit the track mate, I'm sure you'd love it.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 9th Nov 2013 at 12:10
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Nose
Senior User Location: Birmingham Registered: 23 Jun 2013 Posts: 994 Status: Offline |
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stan_306gti6 wrote: A good performing setup is Brembos from a 406 Coupe along with Xantia 288mm discs. You would need to ensure that your particular wheel fits with these though as not all do. The only downside to this setup is they are known to squeal A LOT. This is generally only under light braking though, so if you were only looking for track use where they would be used heavily then it wouldn't be an issue. Hi Stan, would this set up fit under my cyclones bud? and would they bolt straight on or is there a bracket to be made  ________________________________________ Bianca 306 Rallye.Mondeo Titanium X. |
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Posted 11th Nov 2013 at 19:51
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aaron6
Seasoned Pro Location: On the sofa in maidstone Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 5,840 Status: Offline |
Post #11
You'll need 20mm spacers to fit under cyclones. ________________________________________ See the sheer power and might of the lesser known burrowing owl. |
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Posted 11th Nov 2013 at 21:15
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Nose
Senior User Location: Birmingham Registered: 23 Jun 2013 Posts: 994 Status: Offline |
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aaron6 wrote: You'll need 20mm spacers to fit under cyclones. Thanks Aaron, i thought as much, cheers. ________________________________________ Bianca 306 Rallye.Mondeo Titanium X. |
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Posted 11th Nov 2013 at 23:39
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osm2121
Regular  Location: Montevideo Registered: 02 Nov 2012 Posts: 229 Status: Offline |
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aaron6 wrote: I personally will be going for a willwood set-up so I can keep my clones and not run stupid spacers. This is interesting. What Willwood´s are you talcking about? Y´d like to improve a bit the brakes, and want to keep the Cyclones. 20mm spacers sound too much for me, so... What is the Willwood´s model you´re talking about? Are they a direct fit? |
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Posted 11th Nov 2013 at 23:45
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aaron6
Seasoned Pro Location: On the sofa in maidstone Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 5,840 Status: Offline |
Post #14
Iirc thet bolt on but require 10mm spacers. Its the midlite caliper btw.  ________________________________________ See the sheer power and might of the lesser known burrowing owl. |
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Posted 12th Nov 2013 at 07:07
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allye
Regular  Location: Devizes Registered: 05 May 2011 Posts: 204 Status: Offline |
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If you're going to spend serious money on calipers, don't buy Wilwoods, they are a bit s**t in comparison to say 2nd hand set of Renault sport Brembo's or similar.________________________________________ 205 Van SC'd GTI6 - because why not309 Goodwood V6 - sold 205 Rallye GTI6 - Bent |
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Posted 12th Nov 2013 at 08:42
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aaron6
Seasoned Pro Location: On the sofa in maidstone Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 5,840 Status: Offline |
Post #16
The point is, if you want to upgrade and want to keep cyclones the set up you mentioned wont work. ________________________________________ See the sheer power and might of the lesser known burrowing owl. |
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Posted 12th Nov 2013 at 09:17
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #17
Is keeping the cyclones really that important? Surely by changing the wheels to give you more brake flexibility would benefit the whole package.________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 12th Nov 2013 at 09:30
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aaron6
Seasoned Pro Location: On the sofa in maidstone Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 5,840 Status: Offline |
Post #18
I love the way my one looks on cyclones and bigger means more money for the tires I like which negates why I got a 6. Which was to save on running costs as the impreza was a touch expensive. Alrhough I do agree with you to a point. ________________________________________ See the sheer power and might of the lesser known burrowing owl. |
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Posted 12th Nov 2013 at 10:07
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aaron6
Seasoned Pro Location: On the sofa in maidstone Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 5,840 Status: Offline |
Post #19
Plus I think 15 aftermarket wheels look s**t. Especially prorace 1.2's________________________________________ See the sheer power and might of the lesser known burrowing owl. |
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Posted 12th Nov 2013 at 10:08
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #20
Yes, I'm with you on the fact that aftermarket 15's look wrong - they have to 17's in my opinion to have the right cosmetic impact. I know Damien used to run the Wilwoods under cyclones and he loved the braking. Didn't seem to help much at the second hairpin at Pugfest though when they were digging him out the gravel trap... ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 12th Nov 2013 at 10:21
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demondriverdan
Seasoned Pro  Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
Post #21
I think the KAD 6 pots fit under clones as well, but I'm not 100% sure on that! Although they're pretty rare second hand.It's a bit of a compromise when it comes to brakes, especially under 15"s. I guess the obvious question has to be asked but have you tried with a decent set of standard pads and discs first before upgrading? ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 12th Nov 2013 at 12:59
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aaron6
Seasoned Pro Location: On the sofa in maidstone Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 5,840 Status: Offline |
Post #22
Just doing that as we speak. Still would like more though. As for digging damian out... think he just ran out of talent!  ________________________________________ See the sheer power and might of the lesser known burrowing owl. |
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Posted 12th Nov 2013 at 15:07
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aaron6
Seasoned Pro Location: On the sofa in maidstone Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 5,840 Status: Offline |
Post #23
If im honest, at the relatively low speeds at pugfest, my srandard brakes havent been an issue. Its the higher speeds where they seem to fade out a bit under very heavy use. Which dont happen too often. The kad ones are rarer than rocking horse s**t which is a shame.________________________________________ See the sheer power and might of the lesser known burrowing owl. |
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Posted 12th Nov 2013 at 15:11
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prism7guy
Seasoned Pro  Location: DoncastAAAAARGH Registered: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 4,639 Status: Offline |
Post #24
Carbon lorraine RC6 pads work well in standard calipers, if you can live with the dust.If you are prepared to do your research and design your own setup then you can get reasonable size 4 pots under 15's, but it won't be a cheap setup, and cyclones will make life a little more difficult. ________________________________________ Goldie the track car. |
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Posted 12th Nov 2013 at 17:07
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superchargedblack1997gti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: guildford Registered: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 2,376 Status: Offline |
Post #25
guarantee Kad 6 pots fit under as I used to own them have sold them to Rallyeash nowbut they fit under cyclones with no spacers,  ________________________________________ Super high boost Completed, destroyer of gearboxes and 160mph club |
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Posted 12th Nov 2013 at 17:23
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