Who'd have thought it Aaron?

It's true though. Newer machinery is too complicated for it's own good. An older vehicle that is meticulously maintained will be a much, much safer bet any day of the week.

I will never buy a new vehicle - I simply don't like them. They don't allow you to drive them properly with all their electronic trickery, it's bonkers.

For example, as many of you know I own a GSXR 1000 sportsbike. I have the 2005 model, which doesn't have *too* much electronic trickery on it. The same bike from 2007 model upwards has a three stage throttle setting. Modes A, B and C. Mode A is full power, Mode B is for the rider to engage when conditions are a little 'greasy' and it limits the power somewhat. Mode C is for the rider to engage for rainy conditions to severely limit the power.

The 2005 model I have is equipped with a similar system - it's called a throttle and I twist it as much or as little as I as the rider feel is appropriate for the conditions.

And that's a motorcycle. Cars are ten times as worse with their so-called 'driver aids' which is my opinion don't aid at all but simply annoy me as a driver.

My work van ('13 plate Renault Trafic) annoys me because it has a 'gear up/down' light which constantly appears on the dash telling me when to change gear! I don't need that, that's just irritating...

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"Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"
Peugeot 306 GTi-6
2000 (X), Moonstone

In a way you're right but also wrong. Yes newer cars fail but generally older cars fail more as parts wear out over time. Yes a well maintained older car can be very reliable especially as you have the luxury of proof that a certain car can be reliable because its proved itself as opposed to when it was new, you still had the same gamble as any newer car today. Also finding an older car that has been properly maintained is rare as it takes more than just a service history. I guess because 15yr old 306's are very reliable is the reason why they very rarely get broken for parts or scrapped

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Well put it this way I would rather have a grey e46 m3 parked on my drive than a super high boost 306 but as said I don't live for the 306 you lot do

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"Police arrested two kids yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off."

Why is it im seemingly the only person on here to not like BMW's in any shape or form? f**k me they are just boring...
I personally would rather buy a 6, have all the extra cash to put into my mortgage. Cars are all a dead loss for money old and new. Just the old lose less.

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Oh and just for the record whilst we are discussing "new" car reliability my '13 plate Renault Trafic has started to play up today.

Everytime you attempt to start it, it spins over really slow on the first crank (as if the battery was flat) and then spins over normal speed for the next 3 or so cranks until it fires. At the same time the dashboard clock resets itself.

There is obviously a loose connection somewhere, but at only 16k covered I think it's a bit poor. Don't get that kind of behaviour from the Pug.

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"Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"
Peugeot 306 GTi-6
2000 (X), Moonstone

I agree, I would never own one. But I have a 350z now so what do I know.

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Phase 2 Blaze GTi 6 (Standard) Sold
Phase 3 Supercharged China GTi 6 (249.8 BHP) Sold
Phase 3 Supercharged Diablo GTi 6 (443 BHP)Sold
Nissan 350Z (300 BHP)

Yeah I'm hoping to have a good 2-3 years without spending out on it hopefully.

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Phase 2 Blaze GTi 6 (Standard) Sold
Phase 3 Supercharged China GTi 6 (249.8 BHP) Sold
Phase 3 Supercharged Diablo GTi 6 (443 BHP)Sold
Nissan 350Z (300 BHP)

Im a hairy arsed engineer so turning up in a BMW I actually get called a c**t...

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Im well aware that I'll look a c**t driving anything. But as I love 306's and dispise BMW's I'll have to look a c**t in the 6.

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Im with this guy! I had a brand new 63 reg 320D M sport for 2 weeks and hated every minute of it. Uncomfortable, nav/media was overly complicated, wasn't built anywhere near as well as the older BMs, was bloody noisy and juicy and it was hard work to drive for a auto.

Would never have one!

How anyone can say a E46 M3 is boring is beyond me.
My bother bought a minty minty low miler about 3 months ago, Absolutely standard all round.
It is the most insane sounding thing I have ever driven.
I absolutely love my six don't get me wrong.
But f**k me that is a car.
Seriously, The sound it makes is imprinted in my brain.

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Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg

Driven an E46 M3 with the SMG box and the only thing i thought was good was the launch control. Other than that I thought it was s**te! Not particularly quick and very understeery ( of course that can be corrected by the loud pedal ) but when trying to be fast and tidy it wasn't very planted at the front.

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Team Nile 6
Team: 40.2 MPG
5 x a 306 owner!
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I truely live for the 306 ®
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