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Author Subject: Poor Mpg/ Changing the Lambda
doon1988

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Afternoon All,

Just been working out my MPG again - its a sad story!

I put 50 litres of Shell Nitro + in on Friday.

Since then I have driven roughly 103 miles and according to my fuel gauge this has used just under half a tank. Which if I calculate saying the 103 miles was done on 20 liters I get an MPG of 23.46.

From reading other threads I understand this is very poor especially as around 20 mins was motorway within a 50mpg zone and 70miles was country roads (driving from Sheffield to bakewell and back via ladybower and strines moor)

Driving reasonably sensibly the whole time.

A full tank usually lasts me 2 weeks and the main bit of driving is 8 miles to work and 8 miles back 5 days a week with sometime a few trips to the parents or to the supermarket (not that far away). So really I am looking at what appears to be 200/ 250 miles to a tank.


From a few other threads it appears I need to look at the Lambda sensory which seem to be pretty pricey but if its going to up my MPG from 23 to around the 30/ 38 mark then will be completely worth it.

Are these easy to change without much mechanical knowledge? I have 0 knowledge but my dad knows a bit. Just looking for some tips as to whether I should have this done at the garage when I get my cambelt done or whether I should be able to manage a change myself(with help from the old man).

Posted 9th Sep 2013 at 12:26
doon1988

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used Youtube and answered my own question... These appear very easy to change (unless they are in some god awful place/ position like most things on the 6 seem to be?) which therefore leaves me with a second question.

Is there an easy way to find out if one of the sensors needs replacing? Is it just a case of taking a look seeing how dirty it is or will this needs a garage to run it through diagnostics?

final question - Are they in the same position on the 6 as they are in a general 306? Just so I know whether referring to the old Haynes annual will help.
Posted 9th Sep 2013 at 12:45
superchargedblack1997gti6

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I think you're cars running fine mate that mpg is more or less all I get out of my daily phase one!

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Posted 9th Sep 2013 at 12:52
doon1988

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superchargedblack1997gti6 wrote:
I think you're cars running fine mate that mpg is more or less all I get out of my daily phase one!


Thanks for that. Builds up reassurance that nothing is wrong but dampens the thoughts of ever spending less on fuel aha. Though like other people have said, if you get one of these cars then you expect low MPG. Think my dads 5.4l v12 7 series gets more mpg that the 6 and has a better turning circle! haha

Seen a few people on this forum quoting they get around 350 to even 500 miles on a tank which is what also added to me thinking mine may have some form of issue.
Posted 9th Sep 2013 at 12:59
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I get around 220 for 3/4 of a tank. My lambda needs replacing at some point.

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Posted 9th Sep 2013 at 13:08
doon1988

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My speedo's dodgey which means unless I use google maps to map every journey I dont know my total miles.

But 200-250 a tank seems to be about what I am getting from a using google maps a few times to do that.
Posted 9th Sep 2013 at 13:10
ian7675

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Lambdas are easy to change, unbolt it underneath and the connector can be found down the back of the engine, it's a red/black plug iirc. It's quite common for these to be impossible to unbolt though as they become so tight so beware of that.

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Posted 9th Sep 2013 at 13:44
armzsc6

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On a motorway run I get 400mikes to a tank out of my supercharged 6...... Alway did before it was charged up to about 430-450 miles.

While diving in town and to work and back with the occasional hoon thrown in before supercharged I averaged 27-30mpg. I've owned plenty of 6's and if its considerably less you either got a heavy foot like Ross has lol or your lambda is probably fooked.

Anywhere near you that can read the car?

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Posted 9th Sep 2013 at 13:50
doon1988

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armzs16 wrote:
On a motorway run I get 400mikes to a tank out of my supercharged 6...... Alway did before it was charged up to about 430-450 miles.

While diving in town and to work and back with the occasional hoon thrown in before supercharged I averaged 27-30mpg. I've owned plenty of 6's and if its considerably less you either got a heavy foot like Ross has lol or your lambda is probably fooked.

Anywhere near you that can read the car?


Got a few garages nearby I can take it along to take a look. my 23mpg was mainly motorway/ country roads. Ive worked it out at 17.8 miles driving out of the town centre (for about 2 miles) then on to a freely flowing duel carriageway for about 5miles then 10 miles on the motorway going 50 all the way.

then 10 miles town driving (not in the centre but still stopping at a few traffic lights) followed by 5 miles on the same duel carriageway as above and 10 miles again on the motorway.

Finally followed by around 40 miles of country road driving (keeping it pretty steady/ within speed limit etc) apart from 10 minutes of slow moving traffic which covered about .5 miles).

So yeh I would of thought for that 23mpg is pretty low...

Will take it to a garage and see what they say - my miles per tank has been around the 20/250 mark for a good couple of years and the lambda has never been flagged up on the MOT. Not sure if it would?
Posted 9th Sep 2013 at 14:02
jimmyhackers

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there are a fair few things that contribute to poor mpg

lambda is main one (and most expensive)
oil change + filter
air filter
fuel filter
injector clean

these are main/easiest things

new plugs (not really neccesity)
temp sensors can sometime go funny...

basically if your exhasut smells like petrol your overfueling or under(airing)

id also point out a few people here have problem using a high octane fuel in a standard gti6
high octane doesnt mean more power, it means less likely to pre detonate

which is why you only need to use it on modified cars with advanced timings that are prone to pre-detonation.

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Posted 9th Sep 2013 at 16:14
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other less likely possibility is your breaks are sticking. does your car feel sluggish more-so after youve just stamped the breaks on?

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Posted 9th Sep 2013 at 16:16
superchargedblack1997gti6

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Post #12
To be fair it's a miracle if i get more than 320 miles out of a tank. But like Pete says on a motorway run i can see 370 on a good long run!
But if you use the revs pretty much anything over 4k fuel economy has had it. Just don't want you chasing fuel economy if changing driving style could save you a couple of quid?

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Posted 9th Sep 2013 at 16:32
beez_neez_gt

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Tyre pressure are the main cause in fuel draining.

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Posted 9th Sep 2013 at 16:40
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lol i missed those ones.....check your tyre pressures weekly and yeah...anything above 2000rpm will not be fuel efficient

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Posted 9th Sep 2013 at 17:11
doon1988

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I try and change gears as close to 2k rpm as possible. Something I started doing several months ago to try improve consumption.

Tyre pressures are also checked regularly.

I will wait till my car is in the garage and see if this is something they can check. But thanks for the tips guys.
Posted 9th Sep 2013 at 17:23
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Something just came to mind and thought I would ask....

My car has an issue with the radiators at the moment in that the low speed fans do not kick in and also potentially mucky/ faulty ICV (i.e. car can cut out when slowing down for junctions or lights if I am not quick at releasing the clutch)..

Looking to get both repaired soon.. But from experience would anybody know if such issue could potentially be impacting my mpg?
Posted 10th Sep 2013 at 12:08
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A lot easier to remove lambda if exhaust reasonably hot.

Iirc, 22mm spanner. Never had any issues removing them. Never had to replace though Smile

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Posted 10th Sep 2013 at 12:28
doon1988

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Well aint I just glad I paid the £5 to sign up Last week. Its already saved me £30!

I always knew that I was heavy footed although I thought I had improved my driving style and all that but it made no difference to my MPG....

That was because I hadn't improved it enough!

Following what has been said on this post I started ensuring that wherever possible I made all gear changes at 2k revs and didn't rush to get to that point like I used to. For the entire week I've rarely gone above 3k revs (unless some tw@t has got right on my nerves and needed passing, which has happened a few times).

This has resulted in me getting 100 miles to 1/4 on a tank this week and about a quarter of that is city driving with the rest being busy dual carriageways.

If i manage to train myself to carry on driving this way I'm probably looking at between 350/ 400 miles per tank which at the worse to best case scenario is doubling the distance I usually cover and therefore potentially halving my fuel bill.

I must admit though it is hard work trying to not plant my foot down all the time but it is paying off and hopefully I can stick with it.
Posted 13th Sep 2013 at 08:06
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Report back in 7 days and lets see how long it lasts LOL

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Posted 13th Sep 2013 at 08:49
doon1988

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that's what I'm thinking. Although I am currently putting between 140 and 160 quid per month in fuel mainly just getting to work and back (17 mile round trip per day 5 days a week).

If carrying on driving like this manages to get be continuously 100 miles per 1/4 tank then 1 tank should last me a whole month just would reduce my monthly spend by 70/90 quid - money which I can then put in to repairs and mods.

The only issue is - I like the sound of the engine and exhaust when you plant your foot in 2nd and 3rd :'( But I am going to try my best.

Ideally i'd love to get a diesel for the daily drive and park this up whilst carrying out work on it but I live in a block of flats with just 1 parking space so not possible. No do I have the cash to buy and insure another car...

So really if I want the 6 to last then I have no option but to give this my all haha.

I want to get to one of the meets and I aint doing that until I've managed to repair a few faults on my car... So I need to do this.
Posted 13th Sep 2013 at 08:58
superchargedblack1997gti6

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To be fair is it fun driving like that though!
25mpg and a fun drive worth the extra £s I think!

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Posted 13th Sep 2013 at 09:17
doon1988

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It was when I was still living with the parents so getting free food and just paying £150 board.... But now i've grown up and move out with ahh lass the added expense means petrol is going on my credit card a lot.

The way Ive been previously driving averages between 18 and 23 mpg... Not good on my bank balance even if lots of fun Razz
Posted 13th Sep 2013 at 09:22
superchargedblack1997gti6

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Time for an Hdi for you mate Thumbs up

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Posted 13th Sep 2013 at 09:24
doon1988

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Maybe not - the above is giving me hope I can carry on with the 6. If I continue to drive like I have this week with just the odd bit of pedal to the floor then I'll hopefully be averaging between 30 and 36 mpg.

Although when the lease comes up on the apartment and I move out in to a house the added drive space means I am going to get an hdi for the daily and try to track out the 6..... hopefully... though I have no idea what Im talking about so it will probably end up like some little chavs 1.2 corsa once ive finished
Posted 13th Sep 2013 at 09:29
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That's not right imo.

My car doesn't do much more than 26mpg but I absolutely cane it everywhere,
On the motorway ill just cruise at 90 when I can and then I have a load of nshort journeys last week and got 350 to a tank

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Posted 13th Sep 2013 at 09:30

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