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jimmyhackers

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just wondering.....those u bend bits of bar metal in the front arches. im currently using it as an axel stand point instead of the front subframe as some people suggest.

this ok?

when my car threw a wheel that part took the brunt of the impact with the road away from my undercarrage, so i know there strong enough.


my friend has a point that it does look rather precarrious sitting on there. anyone had it slip off an axle stand while using that point?

thanks in advance

jim

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Posted 19th Aug 2013 at 11:35
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They're pretty solid. They are used to tie the car down when on a transporter lorry.

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Think about how much surface area makes contact. If you knock the car it could easily slide off.

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    your nuts Yes

    i wouldnt use them

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    Posted 19th Aug 2013 at 12:07
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    subframe ftw.

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    as above,
    Generally i jack up carfully on the jack up points,
    Rest the stands under the subframe,
    Then do the same on the other side.

    There a bits faily close to the area where theframe attaches to the shell thats good for this and strong.

    I do the sam ewith the rear ut carfully rest the stands on teh beam tube instead
    Usually with a bit of cloth on the stand as i'm a tart

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    Posted 19th Aug 2013 at 12:12
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    I use the sill jacking point to jack and then use the double skin part if the chassis rail right at the from, and the beam tube at the rear. Same as Eliot with the rag though, as my beam tube is painted. LOL

    I'm afraid I wouldn't be going anywhere near your car balanced on those 'U' bend pieces...No

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    Posted 19th Aug 2013 at 14:25
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    mattgti6phase2

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    Just realized i read the OP wrong. I would only ever use those to jack the car not to use an axle stand on them. Only ever use the sub frame or the actual jacking point Smile

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    dangti6 wrote:
    Think about how much surface area makes contact. If you knock the car it could easily slide off.


    This ^^^^^

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    You should use something which is a component designed to take the weight of the vehicle eg. the subframe by design has to be strong enough to support the weight of the car, which is why it is the most commonly suggested part.

    "It is probably solid because you tie a strap to it to stop it rolling away" is absolutely no guarantee that it is strong enough to take 1/4 of the weight of the vehicle. Certainly not enough of a guarantee to lie under it and risk your life on it.

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    eliotrw wrote:
    as above,
    Generally i jack up carfully on the jack up points,
    Rest the stands under the subframe,
    Then do the same on the other side.

    There a bits faily close to the area where theframe attaches to the shell thats good for this and strong.

    I do the sam ewith the rear ut carfully rest the stands on teh beam tube instead
    Usually with a bit of cloth on the stand as i'm a tart


    ^^^This is the best and safest way. Using those metal loops is a disaster waiting to happen if pulling/pushing on the car while under it e.g. loosening something stubborn, or on the slightest slope.

    I don't use the chassis rails, they are made of finest French brie cheese under a delicate coating of Gauloise cigarette packet foil - even the double thickness part is not particularly strong. If you get it even slightly wrong it will bend the cross-member in and the damage provides a foothold for rust which is why so many 306s rust on the chassis cross members meet the rails.

    Someone else not that long ago asked the same thing about the U-shaped bits of wire I'm sure.

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    I always use chassis rails both 6 n 205. I use a bit of rubber sheet on stands for floor protection and always been fine. I use subframe to raise both sides then fit stamds under rails that are on the floor pan. It holds car up fine, just done slam the car on stands and it will be fine.

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    Those bits of bent rod are purely tie down points for car transporters, save scuffing the wheels.

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    Yep, always had my '6' up on stands using the rails, no signs of damage whatsoever. Yes

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    Posted 19th Aug 2013 at 19:03
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    Agreed with mik regarding floor rails, never jack or support on them, always under the subframe and beam.

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    Jack no but support is fine, iv always done it and never had any bent bits or damage. Only a monkey would damage them, alhough I do use them nearest the sub frame areas.

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    jimmyhackers wrote:
    just wondering.....those u bend bits of bar metal in the front arches. im currently using it as an axel stand point instead of the front subframe as some people suggest.

    this ok?

    when my car threw a wheel that part took the brunt of the impact with the road away from my undercarrage, so i know there strong enough.


    my friend has a point that it does look rather precarrious sitting on there. anyone had it slip off an axle stand while using that point?

    thanks in advance

    jim


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    i turn the car over on its roof and just sit on it to work, it's so much easier, really not sure why people don't do this more often

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    rikky wrote:
    i turn the car over on its roof and just sit on it to work, it's so much easier, really not sure why people don't do this more often


    LOL

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    Posted 20th Aug 2013 at 15:17
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    You spelt axle wrong.

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    dangti6 wrote:
    You spelt axle wrong.


    This is true. Yes

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    Posted 20th Aug 2013 at 18:02
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    I learnt the hard way not to use them as a support point. Put the front on stands on them points then jacked the back and one side slipped off partially crushing my brake line. Lucky it didnt do more damage!
    I now use the subframe or emergency jacking point although not the latter so much now since i undersealed the car and it looks all tidy and nice and i dont want to scratch it lol
    Posted 20th Aug 2013 at 18:09
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    jimmyhackers

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    im starting got understand why a lot of people regard roland as they do.

    if i can take your mom on top of me roland im sure i can take a 306.

    one-uppety flippancy aside i get your points about slippage......luckily my axle stands got improved (by myself) with some rubber matting stuck to the resting points.

    i always chuck a few spare tyres under my car aswell as the jack n axlee stands for safety.

    thanks for the replies guys



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    You've spelt mum incorrectly.
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    Not if he's American...Hmm

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