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Author Subject: Mapping Throttle Bodies on Standard Management - Chip Wizards!
jammapic

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Hi all, bit of a write up here...

I bought these on a whim:



People said, what's the point of doing that on stock cams - it will make no extra power.

I was also told time and time again that aftermarket management such as Emerald or DTA was the only way to go and that it "wouldn't work right on stock management".

Ever the tight Yorkshireman, and wanting to again do something "different to the norm" as I did with my old DTurbo - I decided to call on the help of the Chip Wizard, up here in Rochdale. Wayne Schofield has an excellent reputation with all things Peugeot, so I thought if anyone could do it - he could...

So, I headed over to Wayne's unit with the car now totally stock, other than a K&N apollo air filter and Longlife systems 2.5" stainless exhaust with sports cat and lightly advanced inlet cam.

We ran the car up like this, seeing a healthy 177hp. About right given the tame breathing mods and advanced inlet cam timing.

After a couple of Jaffa Cakes it was time to whip the standard inlet off. Easy job, loads of you have done it - needing nothing more than some basic tools and a new gasket for refitting (if you do!)





With the manifold off, the fuel lines needed modifying to suit the Jenvey throttle bodies - really just a case of cutting them down and using some bits of Porsche fuel pipe lying around in the workshop.

Once we'd done this, we cut off a few tabs of metal on the Jenvey bodies to give us good clearance for things like the dipstick and throttle linkage:



Last but not least was modifying the throttle cable to fit the Jenvey set up, easily done by a bit of cutting and trimming:



Once fitted, plumbed in and bolted up it was time to test fire the car, on the stock mapping... suffice to say it ran like crap, coughing and spluttering - not surprising given half of the connectors it was expecting to see weren't plugged in!!!

Despite that - the car still managed 194hp even with all the pops and bangs!



This graph really shows us where even on stock mapping and running like crap, the Jenveys help us to gain, also quite surprising was the fact we didn't lose TOO much torque low down - which was a bit of a concern:



So, now to the mapping... It was getting late on into the evening now - and with a mammoth live mapping (running the car directly from the laptop) session ahead of us... we cracked open the ECU and tucket into some biscuits:



Wayne started reading the file - and tried to explain to me and Chris (Brynllwynog2) how the ECU referenced different values, loads, RPMs etc...





We hooked the car up to an emulator box, essentially allowing Wayne to run the car directly from his laptop in the car, and optimise the mapping on the go whilst simulating different load and RPM conditions on the dyno and watching the feedback from the wideband lambda hooked up to the exhaust:








Next came the huge, job of mapping.

This was no "let's map it for headline power figures" exercise. Wayne spent literally 6 hours optimising every single load and RPM site in the ECU, ensuring that the fuelling was spot on across the board for the new found airflow provided by the Jenvey bodies.

Only when he was happy all of the part throttle, full throttle and transient fuelling was absolutely spot on did he begin the power runs. The first couple of runs showed 197, 198 and 199hp - so tantilisingly close to the magic 200hp. Thankfully, Wayne said "there's a bit more to come out of this yet, hang on..."

With a few more tweaks on the laptop and the timing and fuelling optimised to their full, we saw 204.9 bhp and 170.3 lb/ft


The final graph shows the first run, with the stock intake and mapping and only basic mods giving 177.8 bhp and 151 lbft, and then back to back runs of the stock mapping with Jenveys, giving 194.7 bhp and an erroneous torque reading unfortunately (spike when dipping the clutch on the dyno) and the final map with Jenveys giving 204.9 bhp and 170 lb/ft.



All in all with the stock power figures being 167 bhp and 145 lbft of torque we can see that light breathing mods and some modest cam timing changes can yield us a 10 bhp and 6 lb/ft gain, with Jenveys giving a whopping 38 bhp and 25 lb/ft gain over stock.

I have to say a personal thankyou to Wayne at Chip Wizard for putting in so much time, care and attention to detail on this and I would urge any of you to use him as your tuner... he REALLY knows his stuff, petrol or diesel.

The car pulls cleanly and strongly through all the gears and drives, dare I say it, better than a stock one. Certainly smoother and with far better throttle response. As they say, it's "how it should have left the factory!!"

Hopefully this will allow a few more GTi-6 owners to go down the throttle body route, without the need for full blown aftermarket management systems!!!

Let's see what happens when we throw some cams into the mix.....

Cheers for reading,

JP

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Posted 30th Jul 2013 at 10:36
blandy

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Any details on this cam timing changes? As obviously makes a big improvement seeing as most jenvey set ups only seem to do around 180bhp with jenvey manifold etc so looks like you've got some fantastic results.
Posted 30th Jul 2013 at 10:20
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Interesting Yes How much was the mapping session out of interest?

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Posted 30th Jul 2013 at 10:21
jammapic

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The price is £450 all in, this includes the full mapping session and also setting up the cam timing for it's "sweet spot".

Truth be told, I had already advanced the inlet cam by 3* anyway so we didn't mess about with that on the dyno as it was roughly where it wanted to be anyway.

Best thing to do to be honest is contact Wayne, either wayne@chipwizards.co.uk or text / phone him on 07874328306... Be patient for a response though, last night we didn't finish mapping until nearly 11pm - and I'm led to believe that isn't uncommon for him to be working that late!!!

JP

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Posted 30th Jul 2013 at 10:31
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I'd be interested to know that as well as I'll be looking to get Wayne to custom map a high boost setup for me next year hopefully. Usual charge is £400 iirc?

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Posted 30th Jul 2013 at 10:34
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ahhh i need that man in my life Yes

shame he is soo far away Sad

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Posted 30th Jul 2013 at 10:40
jammapic

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In my experience, he is ABSOLUTELY worth it... he really knows these ECU's inside out.

I would say it's probably even worth it on a standard car, I would like to think with the right cam timing which he will do, and the right mapping - it would see 180hp with only an air filter and exhaust system. £450 is cheap for that in my opinion!!!

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Posted 30th Jul 2013 at 10:43
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I guess for completeness ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg3tP01Npgs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=631PNf9bIIs

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Posted 30th Jul 2013 at 10:54
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Great resultThumbs up

You certainly get your moneys worth if he spends 6 hours mapping!Yes

Does he map aftermarket ECU's too?
As someone that's willing to spend that amount of time mapping for £450 is hard to come byWink

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Posted 30th Jul 2013 at 11:05
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He will do any aftermarket ECU, or standard ECU.

For me though, this challenge was about getting the setup to work right on the stock ECU - something I had been advised against and told wouldn't work... well that's like red rag to a bull with me!

JP

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Posted 30th Jul 2013 at 11:07
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jammapic wrote:
He will do any aftermarket ECU, or standard ECU.

For me though, this challenge was about getting the setup to work right on the stock ECU - something I had been advised against and told wouldn't work... well that's like red rag to a bull with me!

JP


Yeah is good to know,now I've got a DTA sat in the garage!!!Roll eyes

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Posted 30th Jul 2013 at 11:08
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Lol... Shame! Ah well, I'm sure it'll work brilliantly...

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Posted 30th Jul 2013 at 11:10
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to give you a little indication of how drivable it is at part throttle etc - I made a little in car vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvt5a91-uyY

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Posted 30th Jul 2013 at 13:31
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coskev wrote:
jammapic wrote:
He will do any aftermarket ECU, or standard ECU.

For me though, this challenge was about getting the setup to work right on the stock ECU - something I had been advised against and told wouldn't work... well that's like red rag to a bull with me!

JP


Yeah is good to know,now I've got a DTA sat in the garage!!!Roll eyes


Just sell it to me :-) If it's a D60 that is Whistle

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Posted 30th Jul 2013 at 13:34
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Nice one, Some awesome results there!

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Posted 30th Jul 2013 at 13:39
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rallyestyle wrote:
coskev wrote:
jammapic wrote:
He will do any aftermarket ECU, or standard ECU.

For me though, this challenge was about getting the setup to work right on the stock ECU - something I had been advised against and told wouldn't work... well that's like red rag to a bull with me!

JP


Yeah is good to know,now I've got a DTA sat in the garage!!!Roll eyes


Just sell it to me :-) If it's a D60 that is Whistle


No it's not sozWink

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Posted 30th Jul 2013 at 14:22
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Wayne mapped my DTA. Yes

Awesome experience, he really knows his stuff. Thumbs up

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Posted 30th Jul 2013 at 14:29
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Don't forget - he also mapped every low boost supercharged '6 out there too!

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Posted 30th Jul 2013 at 14:32
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Is that cash in hand price or could we pay by card?
Posted 30th Jul 2013 at 19:55
jammapic

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I have no idea, ask him!

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Posted 30th Jul 2013 at 20:16
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mike rallye wrote:
Is that cash in hand price or could we pay by card?


Years ago he used to take card, but the last time I went to him it was cash only. Yes

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Posted 30th Jul 2013 at 21:46
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I am down the road on the 28th of August at Alton Towers, wonder what the chances are of getting booked in for HB remap?

I have emailed and text him already.

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Posted 31st Jul 2013 at 08:50
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Alton towers is not "just down the road" Laugh my ass off

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Posted 31st Jul 2013 at 08:51
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he's in warrington now isn't he at ninemeister? about an 1hr 20mins away from alton towers LOL

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Posted 31st Jul 2013 at 08:57
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Correct Rikky.

Best bet is to contact him on the numbers above.

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Posted 31st Jul 2013 at 08:58

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