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Author Subject: Berlingo / Partner front ARB?
vts_tibi

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Post #1
Hi Guys,

What is the thickness of the Berlingo / Partner ARBs (the one they pu into the higher spec models, so the thickest in the range)

Also, which types of these vans came with these? I'm trying to source a set, but every breakers first ask for the engine type and approx build date, and as I don't know they just ignore me LOL


Additionally, how can I tell from a spring that it's genuine, and not something aftermarket? I guess the OE springs should have some kind of paint mark on them, right?


Thanks,

Tibi

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Posted 6th Jun 2013 at 14:40
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Post #2
http://service.citroen.com/

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Posted 6th Jun 2013 at 15:50
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Post #3
o.e springs do have paint marks yes, they're listed on servicebox too.

What are you intending to do? uprate a boggo van?

General rule seems to be most use 21mm bars, 800 kilo variants use 22mm.

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Posted 6th Jun 2013 at 15:55
vts_tibi

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Post #4
Thanks Mei, I was expecting your answer Big grin

Tried looking on the service box, but there are soo many variants...

I try to source a thicker front ARB for my VTS trackcar.

And I would like to know whether it has oe springs or not Smile (I would like it to be original, as that would be a good base point)

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Posted 6th Jun 2013 at 17:56
adam b

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Post #5
Why the hell are you fitting a thicker front arb?

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Posted 6th Jun 2013 at 18:03
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Post #6
VTS has 21mm, probably gain traction from going smaller with a lower spec ARB, you can go down to 18mm on the n-a diesel or 1.4 xsara's.

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Posted 6th Jun 2013 at 18:13
vts_tibi

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Post #7
Well I just wanted to see what are my options. I've just read a few threads and it seems like the general opinion is to leave the front ARB as it, or even go slightly thinner for bumpier tracks for more grip - won't a thinner ARB result in more bodyroll?

Btw. I've spoken to a guy who makes shocks for racecars, and he told me that on the front the best and cheapest would be to lower the chassis to the desired level, using the original springs, cutting out one or two coils (the lower the coil number, the stiffer the spring is), then revalve the front struts according to the measured characteristics of the springs and to my needs.
He said he does not recommend lowering springs, as some can be s**t, and most of the manufacturers give the same spring for all types (1.4 to VTS). The best would be to have two springs made for our specs, but it would be too expensive.
He also said something about making the shafts shorter for the lowering...

On the rear he would make the shocks slightly firmer.

Does this seem utter bo***cks? I have to do this on a budget, so dampers like BAD and AST are ruled out, and coilovers like AP Racing and TA-Technix are not any good - I rather leave the original struts and springs in place then!

This is why modifying the orginal shocks seems like a good idea.

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best 1/8 ET : 9.375 @ 74.42mph
best 1/4 ET: 14.603 @ 97.047mph

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Posted 6th Jun 2013 at 22:15
phillipm

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Post #8
Provided you have the tooling to open and close the casings, they're swaged on, not a removable insert like 106's and the like, and of course, you can't get hold of shims, you'd have to make them.

And cut springs won't sit square in the seats on a 306, so throw that one out the window. Having a couple of springs made isn't usually a terrible price (£120 ish usually)

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Posted 6th Jun 2013 at 22:19
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Post #9
I have read about some of the French putting the thicker front ARB on the 6, i think i might even have a link with pics and part numbers.


Posted 6th Jun 2013 at 23:31
marco gti6

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Post #10
The ARB is 22mm see here

http://terminator34.free.fr/306_photos2012.html
Posted 6th Jun 2013 at 23:32
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Post #11
Cutting springs is bloody rough !!!!

I've done it in the past and it breaks everything

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Posted 6th Jun 2013 at 23:39
rallyeash

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Post #12
No for bigger front ARB

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Posted 7th Jun 2013 at 00:37
vts_tibi

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Post #13
phillipm wrote:
Provided you have the tooling to open and close the casings, they're swaged on, not a removable insert like 106's and the like, and of course, you can't get hold of shims, you'd have to make them.

And cut springs won't sit square in the seats on a 306, so throw that one out the window. Having a couple of springs made isn't usually a terrible price (£120 ish usually)


The shocks are not my task, I would have to make / source suitable springs. LOL

Well I won't just cut them and left them as they are. I know that I would have to cut them at the exact same point as the last coil ends, to sit flush in the shock, and also the end of the coil would need a bit of work, as the original spring's end is not straight.

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best 1/8 ET : 9.375 @ 74.42mph
best 1/4 ET: 14.603 @ 97.047mph

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Posted 7th Jun 2013 at 09:05
marco gti6

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So is the 22mm front ARB a no go? No real benefits regarding body roll or anything?
Posted 7th Jun 2013 at 09:33
vts_tibi

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Post #15
According to the guys here it's a no! Smile

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best 1/8 ET : 9.375 @ 74.42mph
best 1/4 ET: 14.603 @ 97.047mph

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Posted 7th Jun 2013 at 11:52
phillipm

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Post #16
The coils are closed ends so you'd have to actually be able to rewind the end of it if you cut it, otherwise it'll look like this:



Even if you manage that and get both springs exactly the same you might find it just overstresses the remaining coils and sags.

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Posted 7th Jun 2013 at 11:57
rallyeash

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Post #17
Bigger front arb will be more understeer

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Posted 7th Jun 2013 at 12:52

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