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 pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro  Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #1
Does anyone have a list of the different ratios of the various racks available to fit a 306? Or could anyone list them for me? Would be muchly appreciated! ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
 Posted 29th May 2013 at 19:28
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
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PAS racks - phase 2 xsara vts, 2.6 phase1, 2.4 zx 16v, 2.4, but splined lower column, need to obtain zx lower column as well. 306, Boat tiller. (3.6, limited by 1/3rd on 6 speed cars, actual lock to lock is 3.9) non pas - quaife 2.5 turn 205 pinion kit, will fit on a 306 if 306 trackrods are used. 306 non pas, super tanker tiller.  ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 29th May 2013 at 19:35
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #3
Cheers, any idea what boat tiller actually is?! Not interested in super tanker tiller! ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 29th May 2013 at 19:36
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
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I managed to find the manual rack figure, 4.1!PAS not as long as I thought, at 2.9 (actually is 3.2 for 5 speed racks) ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 29th May 2013 at 19:44
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #5
Thanks!________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 29th May 2013 at 19:48
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend!  Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #6
nice bit of info there |
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Posted 29th May 2013 at 20:21
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro  Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,894 Status: Offline |
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So if its really 2.9 fitting a phase 2 cases rack won't make a massive difference will it?________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 29th May 2013 at 23:56
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #8
Yes it will, as its actually 3.2 if you take into account for the limitation.2.6 probably ends up at 2.2 with the gti6 ram fitted. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 30th May 2013 at 00:00
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,894 Status: Offline |
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would it be a good idea to fit a new ram at the same time or just leave it until it leaks?________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 30th May 2013 at 00:01
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #10
Given you can no longer buy a new one...________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 30th May 2013 at 07:48
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,894 Status: Offline |
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oh dear, in another ten years there will only be service items left at pug.Is there service/repair kits for the rams that come with new seals eg so it can be refurbed? ________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 30th May 2013 at 10:37
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Rich E
Forum Admin Location: Hertfordshire Registered: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 7,757 Status: Offline |
Post #12
Blimey, I hadn't realised the rams were NLA now. I bought a new one about a year ago.________________________________________ Rich |
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Posted 30th May 2013 at 10:57
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #13
Carl said they were nla recently, it should be simple enough to make a collar to clamp on the r/h side of the pinion as a lock stop instead.I dont think the rams are a servicable item due to how they are assembled, though neither is an o.e damper and i'm sure phillip has taken one apart  ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 30th May 2013 at 11:21
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro  Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #14
You can still buy o.e ones i believe________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 30th May 2013 at 11:26
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Rich E
Forum Admin Location: Hertfordshire Registered: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 7,757 Status: Offline |
Post #15
From where?________________________________________ Rich |
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Posted 30th May 2013 at 11:28
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #16
good point, ECP used to sell them individually but after a quick check i cant see them now.________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 30th May 2013 at 12:36
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greenie
Regular  Location: Sandhurst Registered: 06 Feb 2013 Posts: 227 Status: Offline |
Post #17
If I buy a steering rack from an R reg VTS will it go straight on with the gti6 pipes ?Do I have to drop the subframe out and will the new rod ends I just bought for my gti6 rack fit or will I have to buy different ones. The lock to lock is around 2.4 turns for this rack is it not and am I correct to assume the ram will limit the turning circle regarding the gearbox on the 6? Thanks for your time |
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Posted 3rd Jun 2013 at 21:33
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: I dont think the rams are a servicable item due to how they are assembled, though neither is an o.e damper and i'm sure phillip has taken one apart More than one, as it happens  ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 3rd Jun 2013 at 21:53
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mik
Seasoned Pro  Location: Kent Registered: 17 Feb 2011 Posts: 2,100 Status: Offline |
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Lots of threads on this but in case they have autodeleted, you need to put the 6-speed ram on the Xsara rack otherwise the LH wheel will catch the gearbox on right lock = MOT failure. The Haynes says you can change the rack by dropping the subframe down at the rear, without removing it entirely. Others on here are more expert than me as I got someone else to do it for me but plenty of people have done it DIY. I replaced all nuts and bolts etc too. You can use GTI-6 or VTS steering arms though there will be more thread exposed at the outer ends using the VTS arms. I've got the VTS arms, others have got GTI-6 ones, both work. If it is Phase 1 VTS then yes it is 2.4 turns lock to lock and yes the 306 pipes will fit straight on. I have a Phase 2 VTS 2.6 rack on my Rallye (I needed to use VTS pipes) and it is excellent. ________________________________________ Cherry Rallye SOLD |
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Posted 3rd Jun 2013 at 22:51
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greenie
Regular Location: Sandhurst Registered: 06 Feb 2013 Posts: 227 Status: Offline |
Post #20
Awesome reply Mik.Thanks very much for your time. |
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Posted 4th Jun 2013 at 07:22
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poo joe
Newbie  Location: Melbourne Registered: 15 Feb 2020 Posts: 4 Status: Offline |
Post #21
Not sure if I'm allowed to resuscitate a thread like this. But I heard a rumour that XU 205 racks also fit in 306s. Has this ever been tried? The PAS 205s have a pretty quick ratio. |
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Posted 11th Jun 2020 at 03:40
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #22
did you even read the thread?________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 11th Jun 2020 at 13:18
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poo joe
Newbie Location: Melbourne Registered: 15 Feb 2020 Posts: 4 Status: Offline |
Post #23
You imply that all 205 racks might fit with "quaife 2.5 turn 205 pinion kit, will fit on a 306 if 306 trackrods are used". But I'm lazy and didn't want to have to onsell a rack that I bought that didn't fit. I'm also a little cautious because putting a PAS 205 rack in a 306 isn't something that I've seen done. Although where I live the 205 SI is a hell of a lot more common than the VTS. So yeah you got me, I am both lazy and poor. |
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Posted 12th Jun 2020 at 03:43
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Day666
Seasoned Pro  Location: Bristol Registered: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 5,209 Status: Offline |
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poo joe wrote: Not sure if I'm allowed to resuscitate a thread like this. But I heard a rumour that XU 205 racks also fit in 306s. Has this ever been tried? The PAS 205s have a pretty quick ratio. Not as far as I know ? Most of us who want quick racks use VTS Racks m8 In 2013 when this thread was written ..VTS -1 racks were the simplest to fit to a 6 because the pipe work went straight on and so did the stop ram to limit turning distance.... The VTS -2 pipe work didn’t Directly on Sadly VTS -1s are few and far between some 7 years later and fetch £250 upwards if you can find one I bought mine 6years ago I believe the NON PAS 205 rack Didn’t or doesn’t have the ram stop fitting facility and what it’s saying is you need that for a 6 gearbox otherwise if the wheel hits the body work on turning ....it’s a MOT failure in the UK ....but your not in the UK ? But people like Satchel and others fitted a alloy stop block into the 205 gearbox side only steering rack to stop it hitting anything...I’m sure that’s possible and VTS Racks have been fitted to 205s so why not 205 to 6 ???? |
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Posted 12th Jun 2020 at 10:33
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