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ballardpaul

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Hello...
Right long story short my cars MOT ran out in March which means my car is stranded on my drive. The few jobs that need doing are changing a broken spring on the drivers side and this rust on the underneath. Only problem is I don't really know how to move forward with the rust issue. The guy who MOT'd it last year said it will probably need sorting this year but I don't think it's got any worse, and seems solid when poked with a screwdriver. Here's a couple of photos of it...







The problem is I think I am ready to sell this car as I want something newer and more practicable so unsure whether to sell it like this to someone who can sort the rust theirselves or break the car (which would be a real shame after Rich spending so much time on it, but spending money on the shell now then maybe breaking it further down the line would be a waste). Or fixing the car and enjoying it for another year or so.

So I suppose my question to you helpful bunch would be does anyone know the law on rust and mot passing. And also has anyone got a rough idea of how much I maybe looking at to get it sorted.

I don't really know what to do ATM so any comments might help me decide Hmm


Cheers guys.

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Posted 20th May 2013 at 14:47
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wire wheel it back, spray it with hammerite stone chip, sell to pensioner Yes

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Posted 20th May 2013 at 14:49
ballardpaul

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I think a pensioner would have a heart attack the first time they put their foot down.

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Posted 20th May 2013 at 14:52
superchargedblack1997gti6

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I've seen far worse rust than that surely you have someone close by who could do that for peanuts? seems a terrible waste to not put a couple of hundred quid towards getting the beast back on the road? Unsure

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Posted 20th May 2013 at 14:58
ballardpaul

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Yeah I know what you mean, I'm not exactly 'breaking the car because of rust' if you know what I mean, just trying to think it all through as I could fix it. Put it up for sale and then end up breaking it as I can imagine its going to be a hard car to sell in one piece.

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Posted 20th May 2013 at 15:08
superchargedblack1997gti6

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I guess so. let me know if you are doing it could do with a lot of spares for mine. Thumbs up

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Posted 20th May 2013 at 15:11
Chris28190

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Post #7
Brush it down / remove rust as much as you can.

Put something like Hammerite No1 Rust Beater or RustSeal over the rust area. Put lots on and allow to dry.

Won't take long to do it.

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Posted 20th May 2013 at 15:16
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Fix it or sell to me for 4k f**k face Wink
Posted 20th May 2013 at 15:18
mik

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No such thing as rust "not getting any worse". I've had both those cross member things replaced due to idiots jacking the car on them and stoving them in causing rust. These and a couple of other chassis rails are the only bits on the underside not galvanised and it shows.

It is not a huge job to replace them if needed. I'd start by geting the loose underseal off and wire brush back to clean steel. Get some zinc primer on there and some stone chip. I'd also shoot some cavity wax inside, either through the drain holes and/or remove the grommets that are undersealed in.

If you get holes when wire brushing, get a garage to cut them off and replace. Like I said, not a big job. I think it was under two hundred in my case for both. It's just a piece of (remarkably thin) sheet metal and probably 3 hours for cutting and welding. Not sure exactly as there was a bunch of other stuff on the bill as well.

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Posted 20th May 2013 at 19:06
beez_neez_gt

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Surely the whole car gets galvanised ie fully dipped in like 205's ?

I would mend it, not a really big job and if you cant weld get all the prep done then hire or ask a favour to weld up if it needs it though. Does it poke through with a screwdriver ?

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Posted 20th May 2013 at 19:27
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Sort it imo Smile
might not be as bad as it looks and deox gel does wonders

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Posted 20th May 2013 at 22:10
coskev

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yuckThumbs down

Think that will fail a MOT if there is holes right through the steel,as its structural and within 12 inches of a suspension mounting pointDunno

Get a wire wheel in a grinder and rip off the underseal to start with,including around that metal eyelet thing welded onto chassis leg,and check the chassis leg between that eyelet and the upper subframe mountSmile
Pretty sure you will require welding once you start cleaning it up.

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Posted 20th May 2013 at 22:20
ryangti6

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beez_neez_gt wrote:
Surely the whole car gets galvanised ie fully dipped in like 205's ?

I would mend it, not a really big job and if you cant weld get all the prep done then hire or ask a favour to weld up if it needs it though. Does it poke through with a screwdriver ?


306's are not built from galvanised steel, they are just some special zinc based primer out of the factory.

As far as I know the 205 is the same...

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Posted 20th May 2013 at 22:28
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Many parts of them were galvanised post assembly not not all of them, and you've got areas where additional parts were spot welded post galv which is a fantastic idea :glare

same goes for the 205, galv does not mean rust proof, simply more resistant than something ford or BL, and also depends on the quality of the steel underneath the treatment massively too, 206's are recycled steel and can rot like buggery.


I've fixed one or two in that area, not too hard just depends how far the rot has gone, I would scrape all the s**tty looking underseal away well back to fresh metal.

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Posted 20th May 2013 at 22:35
beez_neez_gt

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Iv seen a video of 205's being fully dipped in galv at factory, im sure 306's would get the same treatment. Pug were in finacial trouble before the 205 came along so would not have much cash yet still did 205's fully. So by the time 306's came along their financial situ would be far better than before the 205.

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Posted 20th May 2013 at 22:56
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I agree with Capt Pedantic - the shorter longitudinal rails were much rustier on my car than the rest of the floor and took much longer to clean up - looked like different steel/different surface treatment.

My cross members had holes (one had been badly replaced previously) but luckily the corrosion had not gone further into the structure. With people flicking these cars for £500 now there are going to be a lot in the next few years that get scrapped.

All that dodgy underseal will be keeping the steel nice and wet.

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Posted 20th May 2013 at 23:24
ryangti6

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mik wrote:


All that dodgy underseal will be keeping the steel nice and wet.


This I think is the main problem with these areas, it cracks or gets cracked and acts as a trap.

Other common problems like the rusty roof are like welshy mentioned with parts being welded in after the chassis was coated.

They are not galvanised as in dipped in molten zinc, read about it, no Peugeot is actually galvanised, It's a myth.

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Posted 20th May 2013 at 23:35
beez_neez_gt

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Oh ok i must have imagined that 205 making video then made by Peugeot themselves iirc Roll eyes

Iv fully reconditioned a 205 and during this process i spoted a zinc type colour under the primer on the floorpan and Peugeot themselves also states they were done. I suggest you actually show something to back this claim up.

Also they have out lasted many other cars of the same era too which backs this claim up.

Any coating or plating will entually rust but the better stuff you use the longer the rust prevention will last. My gti 6 doesnt have any rust in the same area as shown, maybe my undertray helped a bit.

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Posted 20th May 2013 at 23:42
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Maybe not dipped in molten zinc but most of it definitely zinc coated in some form, maybe galvanic primer. You can see the grey/white zinc oxide on the sill seams etc.

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Posted 20th May 2013 at 23:51
ryangti6

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A guy told me about it years ago when I was buying a car, he knew his stuff about galvanising, plating and coating etc so had no reason to doubt him, searched about it anyway and from what I found he was right.

If you read this link, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peugeot_306 it mentions it on the bodywork section what treatment 306's recieved.

Also, what is that video of making a 205? Sounds like something I'd like to watch

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Posted 21st May 2013 at 00:37
beez_neez_gt

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Yeah was a while ago when i watched it, although wiki isn't to be fully trusted. It was showing the cars on a rolling assembly line being dipped into galv, it looked kinda white pale colouring from what i remember.

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Posted 21st May 2013 at 00:47
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beez_neez_gt wrote:
Oh ok i must have imagined that 205 making video then made by Peugeot themselves .


Where is this mysterious video?Dunno

As above, they are deffo not dipped/coated after some of the spot welding, as the majority of spot welds are rustyThumbs down

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Posted 21st May 2013 at 08:37
jimmyrallye

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Personaly fix it then sell it im sure it will sell again to right buyer just may take a little time

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Posted 21st May 2013 at 08:55
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starting to weld quite a few of these now, as above the sealer cracks and water just sits in there doing its thing, you wouldn't really notice until you look close.


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Posted 21st May 2013 at 09:00
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Just sort it. An hours rubbing that back will soon show what's going to be involved.

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