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robthe6

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Right guys got a slight problem with the 6. now to start off its got a new AEM wideband kit which it has been running well before the problem an ran fine.

the AFR gauge basically alerted me to this problem. every now and they she will max out on running rich at low revs or low load. goes 10:1 and a rev of the throttle will most of the time clear the issue. and when driving on low or medium load she can completely lean out an if I don't come off an on the throttle stutter and loose all power. off and on the throttle and she will be fine but it might happen again within 2-3min. and then never again.

now this problem happens when ever. it does it when its cold. when its warm an when its hot. sometimes it doesn't do it at all. its had all the gaskets replaced in the last 6 months. its had a new ECT sensor in the last 6 months. its now had a new MAP sensor which has made f**k all difference. spark plugs are 5-6k old and she's always ran on Tesco 99.

now on full throttle it doesn't rich or lean out it runs fine. now I gone through a few posts and iv measured ECT at hot an cold and it within range and iv also ruled this out because it couldn't cause the car to lean out it +19:1 (off the gauge)

the map sensor is brand new and have done 10miles on it, no change.

I have a new TPS and Air temp sensor but have not fitted these yet as I don't believe the air temp could cause such massive changes and I haven't changed the TPS due to trying to give the same throttle positions when it rich's or lean's and had no success and I drove 3 miles with it unplugged and made no difference.

please help its starting to get on my tits. LOL

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Posted 24th Mar 2013 at 18:38
bigbadbowen

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Post #2
Lambda or powersteering sensor maybe ?
Posted 24th Mar 2013 at 18:42
robthe6

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lambda is the AEM one wired in mate. its brand new and if that had failed the gauge would show that.

power steering sensor? don't think iv ever seen that one mate, do 6's have a power steering sensor? I don't think iv ever seen one. how would that cause it to lean and rich out so much?

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Posted 24th Mar 2013 at 18:48
swiftyboi006

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Yes they do have 1 its under the inlet mani and it can cause it to rev and stall. Im not sure thats ur prob tho mate

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Posted 24th Mar 2013 at 19:09
dangti6

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Blue plug, won't hurt to unplug it and see.

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  • Posted 24th Mar 2013 at 19:13
    robthe6

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    Post #6
    no difference. Sad

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    Posted 24th Mar 2013 at 19:31
    robthe6

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    anymore help?

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    Posted 27th Mar 2013 at 16:04
    smegal

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    Post #8
    I couldn't get my AEM lambda to talk properly to my ECU. However, I didn't try different settings. IIRC BallardPaul set his to P3 and said that it ran better.

    If you look at page 10 obelow (or your instructions), tou should be able to set it so that the output corresponds with the standard Lambda. It may need some trial and error though.

    http://tunertools.com/prodimages/AEM/manual/AEM-30-4100-AFR-UEGO-instructions.pdf

    I would say that it is a lambda issue. They don't use lambda readings on WOT, so that would explain why it works ok on WOT.

    No idea why it worked for a while first though.

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    Posted 27th Mar 2013 at 16:48
    robthe6

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    It's on setting 3 since the get go. I'm going to change tps tomorrow as iv already got that.

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    Posted 27th Mar 2013 at 18:24
    smegal

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    Post #10
    The only other thing that I can think of may be a collapsing cat/exhaust. If you are struggling to work out what it is, try putting the old lambda back on.

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    Posted 27th Mar 2013 at 18:41
    robthe6

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    Post #11
    A collapsing cat wouldn't cause its change between running rich an lean in an instant and it would also be Down on power. It's nothing to do with the lambda.

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    Posted 30th Mar 2013 at 14:34
    smegal

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    robthe6 wrote:
    A collapsing cat wouldn't cause its change between running rich an lean in an instant and it would also be Down on power. It's nothing to do with the lambda.


    I can only say about what has happened on mine, and I've had those symptoms when my cat was starting to die. When I did a diagnostics, I was getting 'intermittent' lambda issues. A few weeks down the line, the cat shat itself. There aren't that many other things that it could be.

    Is your wiring loom ok? Especially your injector wires.

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    Posted 30th Mar 2013 at 18:53
    smegal

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    I really do think that you'll find that it's the lambda. not because the lambda is faulty, but because it isn't talking to the ECU properly. you'll find that you get the same isssues with the aem nit wired in.

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    Posted 30th Mar 2013 at 20:28
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    Post #14
    I'm in agreement with Craig, a vote for the lambda not talking to the ECU correctly. Yes

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    Posted 30th Mar 2013 at 23:01
    robthe6

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    Turned out to be a dual sensor problem. Changed the tps and that solved lean issues. Did a good few miles an changed the air temp sensor. No change to the rich issue. But it made the rich issue more easy to identify. The newish coolant sensor had gone faulty. Problem solved

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    Posted 1st Apr 2013 at 15:15
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    Excellent result. Thumbs up

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    Posted 1st Apr 2013 at 15:38
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    To be fair, you would have found this fault if you had removed the sensor and immersed it in water of different temperatures and taken resistance readings in accordance with the values held on Autodata. Having said that though, you wouldn't really expect a new sensor to only last 6 months...Thumbs down

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    Posted 1st Apr 2013 at 15:42
    robthe6

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    Post #18
    Yeah I just did cold an hot values when it first started playing up an it was fine an being new I removed it from list of possibles

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    Posted 1st Apr 2013 at 16:15

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