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blacky

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Post #1
Just havin a browse through the 306 oc site and was wondering why everyone seems to wanna drop hdi lumps ect in a 306,i mean dont get me wrong there ok for workhorses and commuting but wheres the fun in driving a diesel 306,i can understand for insurance purposes but why not drop a 6 engine in a hdi,all i seem to read is it would be better with a hdi lump in it,it might just be me cos am not one for bummin dervs and surley the 6 will still outrun a tuned log burnerDunno
Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 11:08
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why don't you ask them?

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Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 11:13
blacky

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So i should,just baffles me how they think why a hdi lump would be better than a 6 lump and would a 6 still outsprint a tuned hdi
Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 11:22
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Not everyone wants outright speed from their daily driver. A GTi6 isn't exactly spectacular in a straight line but they are fun in the corners, so matching a cheaper & more efficient workhorse engine into a chassis that takes corners well makes a lot of sense to me.

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Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 11:29
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Times change.

The majority of pre 20 year old 306 owners you meet want mega MPG, be able to say they have a turbo and fit large colourful stickers up the side of the windscreen. Insurance costs probably dictate what is practical also.

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  • Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 11:32
    rikky 🦔

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    i have a hdi, the boost is pretty phenominal and feels like a Focus RS torque steering. dangti6 also has one and has the same problems. they are very quick indeed. i had a gti6 and got rid of it and bought a 3dr 306 hdi and put a gti6 interior in it. it's practically the same car but different fuel

    i really struggle keeping the steering wheel straight

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    Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 11:35
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    rikky wrote:
    i really struggle keeping the steering wheel straight


    Ever thought of joining a gym Rikky? Laugh

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    Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 11:43
    rikky 🦔

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    i don't need to go to a gym and pay a monthly fee, drink bottled water and wear a tank top to keep fit Razz

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    Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 12:04
    midlife

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    Post #9
    stan_306gti6 wrote:
    rikky wrote:
    i really struggle keeping the steering wheel straight


    Ever thought of joining a gym Rikky? Laugh


    Laugh my ass off

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    Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 12:21
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    Dturbo hdi's attract a premium, for those not scared of a spanner a git6 is an ideal base as theyre cheap and the same spec nearly.

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    Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 13:29
    coskev

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    rikky wrote:
    i don't need to go to a gym and pay a monthly fee, drink bottled water and wear a tank top to keep fit Razz


    Plenty of w**king keeps you fit I'm sure!Razz

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    Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 15:54
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    stan_306gti6 wrote:
    rikky wrote:
    i really struggle keeping the steering wheel straight


    Ever thought of joining a gym Rikky? Laugh


    He owns one and launders his crack money through it Thumbs up
    Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 16:07
    Niall

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    because a mildly tuned one will easily keep with a gti except it will still do 50mpg. Tuning is generally cheaper and you have to drive a tuned one to see how fun they are.
    Derv tuning will be the way forwards in the very near future.
    Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 16:54
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    Niall wrote:
    Derv tuning will be the way forwards in the very near future.


    You know, if you'd of said that 10 years ago I'd have laughed you out of town, but considering that a lot of the BTCC cars are now diesel it does make perfect sense. What a difference a few years in technological advancements makes...Yes

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    Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 17:02
    Ed_van_dijk

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    Shame they smoke like f**k when tuned.

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    Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 17:02
    welshpug!

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    naah, diesel BTCC cars are so 2009, they're all 1.6 turbo direct injection now.

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    Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 17:10
    blacky

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    I see your point niall,in that case if you have a standard 6 engine wouldnt you just be better off gettin rid and buyin a hdi if you can squeeze near enough the same kinda performance from a mildly tuned one and as rikky said bang a 6 interior in,my question is probabily silly but it just baffled me why we drive gti6 supposidly been the 306 flagship model wen most seem to think you can have alot more fun in a hdi,with them been only 90 hp standard surley they cant be that reliable with some of the 200 hp some of them claim to be,im going to find someone to take me for a blast in one
    Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 17:15
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    Peugeot do a 170 bhp 2.0 HDI in newer stuff, it is 16v mind, so basic lump is more like the 136 bhp engine though the bottom end is much the same.

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    Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 17:19
    Niall

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    blacky wrote:
    I see your point niall,in that case if you have a standard 6 engine wouldnt you just be better off gettin rid and buyin a hdi if you can squeeze near enough the same kinda performance from a mildly tuned one and as rikky said bang a 6 interior in,my question is probabily silly but it just baffled me why we drive gti6 supposidly been the 306 flagship model wen most seem to think you can have alot more fun in a hdi,with them been only 90 hp standard surley they cant be that reliable with some of the 200 hp some of them claim to be,im going to find someone to take me for a blast in one


    All the mapped ones ive seen with a big turbo on have been reliable.
    Dont get me wrong, they might be just as fast in that form but it does come down to personal preference with the petrol/derv debate. Personally, i love the noise and fun of my 6 screaming to 7k. In a HDi, they always sound pretty dull.
    Other thing is quite often, they arent as quick as they feel. Alot of people on OC say "oh my HDi is easily quicker than a 6" when in fact, its not (i even had to prove this to someone just the other week lol). Just the boost makes it feel quicker.

    Oh and diesel smells s**t LOL
    Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 17:23
    blacky

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    Cheers for clearing that up for me welshpug,looks like im gonna have to get the overtime in and source a supercharger after baby no 2 arrives so i dont get embarrased at the lights by hdi's
    Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 17:26
    dendle89

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    Had a mate that spent thousands on his HDi claiming it to be 170bhp, in a straight line he wasn't close and in the bends he was nowhere to be seen, but yea it was reliable engine but everything else fell apart lol

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    Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 17:28
    coskev

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    If you know where the power is in your rev range with a gti6 there are not many diesels that are faster on the road, and tuned hdis are nowhere near!Big grin

    I love all these repsRoll eyes that think there big torque diesels rule the roadNo

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    Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 18:28
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    Diesel is great for workhorses - wouldn't have it any other way, however in terms of performance, give me something I can fill up with sweet smelling V-Power Unleaded anyday and unleash the revs. Yes

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    Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 18:54
    tvrfan007

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    Clearly a troll tbh.

    I've had my HDi for 8 years now and love it to bits, despite it having completed a trip to the moon and commenced the return leg. Literally put fuel in and drive - no bother.

    I do, as Stan infers, get a kick out of having a thirsty petrol sitting at home. I have a silly V8 to drive when i feel like it, but sometimes I am quite happy plodding along in my derv.

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    Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 20:07
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    f**k dervs. I would always stick with petrol. Smile

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