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dangti6

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Post #1
Forgive the random title - I really don't know how best to descibe what I was presented with this afternoon. Effectively, this engine has bogeys.

Whipped a cylinder head off and this is what I was greeted with. It appears this engine I've started to strip down has a hidden past.





You aren't seeing things.



Any ideas what on earth someone was trying to cure with what looks to be silicone in the oil ways? I presume they are the oil ways and not the water ways?

The only thing I can think is that it's from the sealing of the cam carriers. I did notice some excess sealent which had oozed out towards the spark plug side, so this could have made it way down. You'd need to use an awful lot I would have thought in order to end up like this.

Oddly the engine ran fine.

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    welshpug!

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    that's the water ways, only one oil feed on these which is timing belt end at the front corner, and one return each side at the back.

    as that's a fibre gasket not MLS it has been apart before, probably had some k-seal s**te or something put in there.

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    Posted 16th Dec 2012 at 17:56
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    beez_neez_gt

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    Yep some k seal or similar, head may have rotted away by just using water which happened to my car, but instead of replacing the head housing they used a water seal.

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    Posted 16th Dec 2012 at 18:03
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    Yep some k seal or similar, head may have rotted away by just using water which happened to my car, but instead of replacing the head housing they used a water seal.

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    Posted 16th Dec 2012 at 18:04
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    dangti6

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    Post #5
    A couple of the pistons have some odd marks at the top by the cut outs.





    Initially I thought it may have snapped a belt at some point, but when I've seen that in the past, the marks have been more obvious imprints where the valves have hit home. These appear to be odd nicks which if were valve related I'd have thought would be more than the odd few small ones.

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    24seven

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    Post #6
    k-seal/radweld only dries when it comes into contact with air so it must have had an airlock in there or a dying gasket or similar at some point, unless that stuff is something else. Also 2 of your inlet valves are different to the others, which could mean it's had a rebuild following a snapped belt at some point possibly, like you suggested.

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    Posted 16th Dec 2012 at 18:46
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    welshpug!

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    That will have been a snapper or bodged timing belt if it has those marks on the pistons.

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    Posted 16th Dec 2012 at 18:51
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    dangti6

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    Post #8
    Perfectly useable bottom end or would you avoid?

    I've looked at the head to see how much meat is on it for a future skim and wonder how much they start with. There's a bit on there, which by the minuscule amount a skim removes should be enough left for another.

    Here's what's left.





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    • Posted 16th Dec 2012 at 20:23
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    welshpug!

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    you need to measure the height really, as for the bottom end, have seen many just slapped back together but how long they last after that who knows, I'd have it apart and inspect the journals bearings etc, check the bores as there are people after decent blocks.

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    Posted 16th Dec 2012 at 20:28
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    dangti6

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    Post #10
    If that requires more than a steel rule - it's beyond me LOL

    There are some fairy visual honing marks on the bores, so perhaps it's been apart in the past since.

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    pugjim

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    Post #11
    I would be reluctant to put that together and think its going to be ok without a full strip down.
    Posted 16th Dec 2012 at 20:41
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    dangti6

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    Post #12
    It's not going to go back together per se. Both parts will go their seperate ways if they are usable. The head doesn't tap and providing there's enough meat on it I'm sure someone will make use of it.

    As for the bottom end, I'll perhaps strip it down and pester Welshpug! one image at a time asking what/how to do each step.

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    • Posted 16th Dec 2012 at 20:49
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    welshpug!

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    from memory head is 137mm in height when new, 136.8+/- 0.05mm refaced

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    Posted 16th Dec 2012 at 21:11
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