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 jammapic
Senior User  Location: Manchester Registered: 11 Jun 2010 Posts: 778 Status: Offline |
Post #126
Takes a full day. To be honest, I didn't like the "scaryness" of the GTi-6 cams and the lack of room for error, so I sent it to Pug1off to have them fit them for me... and a great hjob they've done too!JP ________________________________________ HDI Engine Tuning / Remapping Services - https://www.facebook.com/dervtech306 GTi-6 Track Car - 200+ hp all N/A! 306 DTurbo Track beasty - 209.9hp - RIP |
 Posted 25th Oct 2013 at 16:39
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jammapic
Senior User Location: Manchester Registered: 11 Jun 2010 Posts: 778 Status: Offline |
Post #127
OK. So we're a step closer to getting it off for mapping. Got it running ok(ish) on the current mapping:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDCj5AnjXDI and sorted out the air filter setup.  Just working on tuning the intake length a bit now with some longer trumpets and a 25mm spacer between the bodies and the manifold. Should help up the torque mid range...  Thanks for looking, JP ________________________________________ HDI Engine Tuning / Remapping Services - https://www.facebook.com/dervtech306 GTi-6 Track Car - 200+ hp all N/A! 306 DTurbo Track beasty - 209.9hp - RIP |
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Posted 28th Oct 2013 at 17:09
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jammapic
Senior User Location: Manchester Registered: 11 Jun 2010 Posts: 778 Status: Offline |
Post #128
OK, looks like we've nailed it... more information to come - but 220hp so far... ________________________________________ HDI Engine Tuning / Remapping Services - https://www.facebook.com/dervtech306 GTi-6 Track Car - 200+ hp all N/A! 306 DTurbo Track beasty - 209.9hp - RIP |
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Posted 12th Dec 2013 at 20:50
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superchargedblack1997gti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: guildford Registered: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 2,376 Status: Offline |
Post #129
220bhp is that still standard internals mate? sounds very impressive any vids?________________________________________ Super high boost Completed, destroyer of gearboxes and 160mph club |
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Posted 13th Dec 2013 at 10:26
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jammapic
Senior User Location: Manchester Registered: 11 Jun 2010 Posts: 778 Status: Offline |
Post #130
Standard, bar a few choice upgrades eg arp rod bolts, blah blah. No vids as of yet, it's still sat on the dyno. I'll be telling Jenvey exactly what works so they can sell a kit, and chip wizards will do off the shelf mapping for this setup. Less than 1k will get you +40hp ________________________________________ HDI Engine Tuning / Remapping Services - https://www.facebook.com/dervtech306 GTi-6 Track Car - 200+ hp all N/A! 306 DTurbo Track beasty - 209.9hp - RIP |
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Posted 13th Dec 2013 at 10:43
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro  Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #131
jammapic wrote: Less than 1k will get you +40hp  ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 13th Dec 2013 at 10:52
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jammapic
Senior User Location: Manchester Registered: 11 Jun 2010 Posts: 778 Status: Offline |
Post #132
Huh? JP ________________________________________ HDI Engine Tuning / Remapping Services - https://www.facebook.com/dervtech306 GTi-6 Track Car - 200+ hp all N/A! 306 DTurbo Track beasty - 209.9hp - RIP |
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Posted 13th Dec 2013 at 10:59
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #133
Throttle bodies, manifold,linkages,filter,backplate, billet cams, arp rod bolts, choice upgrades?? All for under a grand?? Plus I'm sceptical of making over 200bhp with retarded cams and standard pistons________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 13th Dec 2013 at 11:07
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jammapic
Senior User Location: Manchester Registered: 11 Jun 2010 Posts: 778 Status: Offline |
Post #134
Yeah, you might be right actually. Plenty of people selling throttle bodies here for like 400-500, with linkages. Jenvey can then supply the right spacers and trumpets for a couple of hundred. Chip Wizards have agreed, these camps are £300. That should see you around the 190ish mark. Add cams, £400 and 210-215ish. So you are right, all in all say £1300 for this setup, less than a grand for my previous one. Arps etc not required, I just did it for peace of mind.... ________________________________________ HDI Engine Tuning / Remapping Services - https://www.facebook.com/dervtech306 GTi-6 Track Car - 200+ hp all N/A! 306 DTurbo Track beasty - 209.9hp - RIP |
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Posted 13th Dec 2013 at 11:15
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #135
You made it sound like a bolt on kit from jenvey rather than using second hand stuff. Fitting cams is also beyond most folks' capabilities too so having them fitted needs to be factored in. ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 13th Dec 2013 at 11:19
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jammapic
Senior User Location: Manchester Registered: 11 Jun 2010 Posts: 778 Status: Offline |
Post #136
Just got off the phone to Jenvey, they will be selling a package of the right bits to get the optimum intake lengths, and a package of the full bolt on kit. Obviously prices will differ. Clearly, there are other costs to be factored in. I'd just like to think that to some people this will be a cheap route to reasonable power.... ________________________________________ HDI Engine Tuning / Remapping Services - https://www.facebook.com/dervtech306 GTi-6 Track Car - 200+ hp all N/A! 306 DTurbo Track beasty - 209.9hp - RIP |
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Posted 13th Dec 2013 at 11:29
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walker_texasranger
Seasoned Pro  Location: Sunny Retford Registered: 26 Jan 2008 Posts: 2,502 Status: Offline |
Post #137
I would have thought to do this properly you would be looking at well over 2k, still not changed my mind ________________________________________ Almost standard 1999 Bianca RallyeHilux InvincibleX daily 306 No.13  Carp and specialist Anglers Click here |
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Posted 13th Dec 2013 at 12:37
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jammapic
Senior User Location: Manchester Registered: 11 Jun 2010 Posts: 778 Status: Offline |
Post #138
I like to think I've done it properly - and I've spent nowhere near 2k. :-)________________________________________ HDI Engine Tuning / Remapping Services - https://www.facebook.com/dervtech306 GTi-6 Track Car - 200+ hp all N/A! 306 DTurbo Track beasty - 209.9hp - RIP |
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Posted 13th Dec 2013 at 18:48
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #139
Come on then give us the break down of what you've spent! ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 13th Dec 2013 at 19:15
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jammapic
Senior User Location: Manchester Registered: 11 Jun 2010 Posts: 778 Status: Offline |
Post #140
My lips are sealed...If you shop around, things can be cheaper.... ________________________________________ HDI Engine Tuning / Remapping Services - https://www.facebook.com/dervtech306 GTi-6 Track Car - 200+ hp all N/A! 306 DTurbo Track beasty - 209.9hp - RIP |
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Posted 13th Dec 2013 at 19:17
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jammapic
Senior User Location: Manchester Registered: 11 Jun 2010 Posts: 778 Status: Offline |
Post #141
Just a quickie... setting up the launch control on the car. Playing with cut off speed etc in this video. This is still on STOCK MANAGEMENT!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syfH8-C2RdI ________________________________________ HDI Engine Tuning / Remapping Services - https://www.facebook.com/dervtech306 GTi-6 Track Car - 200+ hp all N/A! 306 DTurbo Track beasty - 209.9hp - RIP |
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Posted 13th Dec 2013 at 19:23
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #142
jammapic wrote: Less than 1k will get you +40hp jammapic wrote: My lips are sealed... f**ks sake mate, you're only kidding yourself! You've got a grand in the cams and bodies alone!  ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 13th Dec 2013 at 20:19
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jammapic
Senior User Location: Manchester Registered: 11 Jun 2010 Posts: 778 Status: Offline |
Post #143
Chill out....As I said further above, you are right. A grand might be pushing it. Depends how smart you can shop. I paid £400 for the bodies, and about the same for the cams iirc. The mapping is £300. Jenvey helped me out with the bits for development time - I'm not far off. If you can get a set of bodies cheap, some second hand cams cheap, Jenvey will happily sell you all the spacers and trumpets for the right setup and chip wizards can send you the right mapping. I reckon, bodies £400, cams £200, Jenvey bits, £200ish and mapping £300... you'd certainly do it for £1100. If you bought everything new, you'd obviously end up paying about £1000 for bodies / trumpets / spacers etc, £400 for cams, and £300 for mapping... still £1700 isn't too bad. If you paid for all the fitting etc, you'd probably be around the £2k mark, all in. Avoiding the aftermarket management route certainly saves you around £1000 on the cost of the conversion. JP ________________________________________ HDI Engine Tuning / Remapping Services - https://www.facebook.com/dervtech306 GTi-6 Track Car - 200+ hp all N/A! 306 DTurbo Track beasty - 209.9hp - RIP |
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Posted 13th Dec 2013 at 20:31
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luke306rallye
Regular  Location: Rotherham Registered: 13 Sep 2010 Posts: 310 Status: Offline |
Post #144
I thought Wayne charged about £450 for mapping? Could be wrong though. |
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Posted 13th Dec 2013 at 22:12
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jammapic
Senior User Location: Manchester Registered: 11 Jun 2010 Posts: 778 Status: Offline |
Post #145
I don't know what he normally charges, but these maps are at £250/£300...________________________________________ HDI Engine Tuning / Remapping Services - https://www.facebook.com/dervtech306 GTi-6 Track Car - 200+ hp all N/A! 306 DTurbo Track beasty - 209.9hp - RIP |
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Posted 13th Dec 2013 at 22:21
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walker_texasranger
Seasoned Pro Location: Sunny Retford Registered: 26 Jan 2008 Posts: 2,502 Status: Offline |
Post #146
To be safe with anything other than very mild cams you need to be looking at pocketed pistons, thats a bottom end rebuild right there...________________________________________ Almost standard 1999 Bianca RallyeHilux InvincibleX daily 306 No.13 Carp and specialist Anglers Click here |
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Posted 14th Dec 2013 at 04:16
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superchargedblack1997gti6
Seasoned Pro Location: guildford Registered: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 2,376 Status: Offline |
Post #147
Jamma how is launch control possible on standard management didn't realise out ecu had this built in, though I know a lot of standard ecus do have the ability. would be interesting to see this mapped into a highboost!________________________________________ Super high boost Completed, destroyer of gearboxes and 160mph club |
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Posted 14th Dec 2013 at 09:10
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walker_texasranger
Seasoned Pro Location: Sunny Retford Registered: 26 Jan 2008 Posts: 2,502 Status: Offline |
Post #148
luke306rallye wrote: I thought Wayne charged about £450 for mapping? Could be wrong though. He did when I went Luke, was a few years ago though ________________________________________ Almost standard 1999 Bianca RallyeHilux InvincibleX daily 306 No.13 Carp and specialist Anglers Click here |
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Posted 14th Dec 2013 at 09:31
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jammapic
Senior User Location: Manchester Registered: 11 Jun 2010 Posts: 778 Status: Offline |
Post #149
The ECU is just a computer, it can be programmed to do anything.FYI, the Marelli ECU in the GTi-6 is neigh on identical to Marelli's £7k full motorsport ECU, just without some of the digital inputs / outputs. JP ________________________________________ HDI Engine Tuning / Remapping Services - https://www.facebook.com/dervtech306 GTi-6 Track Car - 200+ hp all N/A! 306 DTurbo Track beasty - 209.9hp - RIP |
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Posted 14th Dec 2013 at 13:09
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superchargedblack1997gti6
Seasoned Pro Location: guildford Registered: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 2,376 Status: Offline |
Post #150
If you speak to Wayne could you ask him if this would be a possibility? many thanks mate________________________________________ Super high boost Completed, destroyer of gearboxes and 160mph club |
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Posted 14th Dec 2013 at 14:19
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