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 Matt_rallye
Regular  Location: Bournemouth Registered: 09 Jul 2012 Posts: 468 Status: Offline |
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Can come give me some insight into throttle bodies. Been looking around an cant find a very good list of parts and descriptions. Basically if I was too build up my own set of bodies what would I need, looking at r1 bike bodies or jenveys. All what management is best to go for? When it comes to management I have no idea |
 Posted 7th Oct 2012 at 09:04
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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You will need;Bodies Some way to connect them (bike bodies don't usually have a suitable flange to this means rubber hoses and clips) An inlet manifold (usually a cut up std mani with pipes pushed on) Air temp sensor Throttle pot (and some way of mounting it) Throttle linkage (a modified curburettor one or something) Filters (individual or better still a backplate and sausage/some filter) Trumpets, full radius if you can get them. Ecu. If you can get the car up to Chip Wizards you can keep the std one, failing that speak to your mapper of choice and ask what his favoured ecu is as they all have their favourites. Unless you are mapping it yourself they are all much the same. You may need a 4 way coil pack and leads depending on ecu if you decide to go aftermarket. ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 7th Oct 2012 at 10:10
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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Personally I'd go with an off the shelf kit and save myself the hassle, I'd not buy the Jenvey manifold this time around though.If you're determined to go for bike bodies I'd get the Colin Satchell setup with inlet mani and trumpets from him as well. ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 7th Oct 2012 at 10:14
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Matt_rallye
Regular Location: Bournemouth Registered: 09 Jul 2012 Posts: 468 Status: Offline |
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Cheers mate. I may come down your way soon. I now have the money for that stuff we talked about previously. Also check yours out  Also what's the best bodies to go for? I'm presuming everyone will say jenveys? I have had a read through yannis thread for the r1s with just the r1s and remap would I see much gain? Or is it best to cams, port and polish at the same time? |
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Posted 7th Oct 2012 at 10:15
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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You only want to pay for one session on the rollers, so it's best to plan out all the mods you want and do them all together, otherwise you pay out every time you change something.________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 7th Oct 2012 at 10:19
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Matt_rallye
Regular Location: Bournemouth Registered: 09 Jul 2012 Posts: 468 Status: Offline |
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Im looking at off the shelf stuff tbh, dot know if I'd hve the patience to mess around with a home brew kit. But off the shelf are looking quite expensive. Unless I'm missing something? Also second hand don't seem to come up that cheap either. Seems a lot of money for little gain |
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Posted 7th Oct 2012 at 10:22
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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It changes the way the car drives and feels and enhances the experience. On paper it's not s big gain but having had them both I miss them more than SC. They also open the door for other mods to work better, cams and exhausts will give bigger gains when coupled to a well matched inlet system. Plus the increased control from a tailored remap gets the most out of the system as a whole.________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 7th Oct 2012 at 10:33
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Matt_rallye
Regular Location: Bournemouth Registered: 09 Jul 2012 Posts: 468 Status: Offline |
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Ahhh right, starting to understand a little more. Do at all in brand new how much would I be looking at?Everything brand new from Jenvey looks pricey. Think I may have to buy things in stages. What manifold will be best for Jenvey bodies? Jenvey one or longmans? |
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Posted 7th Oct 2012 at 11:00
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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Jenvey/Longmans is the same thing. They get a bad press on here, so you really want a Satchell inlet.Cost wise it's a lot, I got a good deal by talking to Simon at Jenvey and getting him to sell me the stuff direct. ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 7th Oct 2012 at 11:09
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Matt_rallye
Regular Location: Bournemouth Registered: 09 Jul 2012 Posts: 468 Status: Offline |
Post #10
That makes sense them being the company. Facepalm.I've seen the satchel manifolds they look pretty good. I did think about trying to chat to someone at Jenvey seeing if some sort of discounted price could be sorted. Don't know if you don't try  Daveyboy if I were too get all the parts I need. Could you give me a hand sorting it? As you sound like you have experience with bodies  |
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Posted 7th Oct 2012 at 11:15
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demondriverdan
Seasoned Pro  Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
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Out of interest, where the hell do you find Colin? Info seems to be few and far between!________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 7th Oct 2012 at 11:21
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Matt_rallye
Regular Location: Bournemouth Registered: 09 Jul 2012 Posts: 468 Status: Offline |
Post #12
Was just about to say this, all I can find is threads? Also what size trumpets to go for? I guess there is a standard diameter? But what lenghth and does that make a difference? Going to end up buying parts separately Satchell manifold with Jenvey bodies (45mm is that right?) 90mm trumpets(seen a few with these, guess its 45mm diameter for the bodies and then 90mm in length?) |
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Posted 7th Oct 2012 at 11:26
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #13
He's a bit off the radar, I can get you a number on Monday.________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 7th Oct 2012 at 11:28
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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I'm sure I can give you a hand. 45s are good on a standard or lightly modified engine, 90mm trumpets are a popular choice for a reasonable spread of torque.________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 7th Oct 2012 at 11:36
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #15
Speak to miles, he's doing satchell dcoe pattern inlets plus everything else you need, inc fitting and mapping if required.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 7th Oct 2012 at 11:48
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Matt_rallye
Regular Location: Bournemouth Registered: 09 Jul 2012 Posts: 468 Status: Offline |
Post #16
So 90mm would be for more modified like cams? Hopefully will be running cams with the bodies so may go for 90mm trumpets. With the trumpets is there a particular brand to go for? |
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Posted 7th Oct 2012 at 11:56
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Matt_rallye
Regular Location: Bournemouth Registered: 09 Jul 2012 Posts: 468 Status: Offline |
Post #17
So 90mm would be for more modified like cams? Hopefully will be running cams with the bodies so may go for 90mm trumpets. With the trumpets is there a particular brand to go for? |
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Posted 7th Oct 2012 at 12:13
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #18
I meant 45mm bodies fella, 45s and 90mm trumpets is a good spec.________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 7th Oct 2012 at 12:18
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Matt_rallye
Regular Location: Bournemouth Registered: 09 Jul 2012 Posts: 468 Status: Offline |
Post #19
45mm bodies ahh good stuff. Are the bodies universal or best to get the 306 ones from Jenvey |
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Posted 7th Oct 2012 at 12:31
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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The Jenvey 45s are not car specific, just get the paired DCOE style ones not individuals. You really are best speaking direct to Jenvey as they can talk you through all the pros and cons.________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 7th Oct 2012 at 13:23
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #21
Did you miss my post?________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 7th Oct 2012 at 16:21
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Matt_rallye
Regular Location: Bournemouth Registered: 09 Jul 2012 Posts: 468 Status: Offline |
Post #22
Nope I didn't, have messages him!  |
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Posted 7th Oct 2012 at 17:26
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vts_tibi
Seasoned Pro  Location: Nuneaton Registered: 27 Apr 2007 Posts: 1,194 Status: Offline |
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My biggest concer about the throttle body conversion is the intake air temperature. Most guys simply put an air filter on the end of the trumpets and leave it as it is, so the engine will suck in hot air from under the bonnet.Is there any clever solution for this? The best would be something like this:  But AFAIK such solutions need a lowered rad ain't? OR We could fabricate an airbox over the trumpets, just like the Pipercross airboxes:  But they are quite pricey at 180GBP  , so it is time for a bit of DIY.Could we mate such airboxes to a BMC CDA filter - I know it's technically possible but won't it affect performance? ________________________________________ VTSbest 60' : 2.272 best 1/8 ET : 9.375 @ 74.42mph best 1/4 ET: 14.603 @ 97.047mph Team Trackday™ |
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Posted 7th Oct 2012 at 18:18
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woody.
Senior User  Location: London Registered: 18 May 2009 Posts: 799 Status: Offline |
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^^^^^^ I've also wondered this  |
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Posted 7th Oct 2012 at 18:31
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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vts_tibi wrote: Could we mate such airboxes to a BMC CDA filter - I know it's technically possible but won't it affect performance? As long as the filter itself was large enough capacity then no, no problem. ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 8th Oct 2012 at 11:26
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