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daveyboy

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Post #26
Doesn't look vented to me. I'd have thought it would have to breathe somewhere though.

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Posted 5th Oct 2012 at 19:52
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pete_rallye

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Post #27
daveyboy wrote:
Doesn't look vented to me. I'd have thought it would have to breathe somewhere though.


The 'show' engine isn't vented, there is a cap on the vent. The picture of the engine installed in a car is vented though.

And what are the two electrical connections for on the inlet manifold? The ones next to the head...

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Posted 5th Oct 2012 at 20:23
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Ah I see, cheers for clearing that up Thumbs up

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Posted 5th Oct 2012 at 20:29
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Gonna email the team which has the 406 Coupe with the Xsara Kit-Car engine to see if they are helpful enough to give us a bit more info.

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Posted 5th Oct 2012 at 20:32
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Post #30
Could they be knock sensors or something along those lines?

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Posted 5th Oct 2012 at 20:38
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welshpug!

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Post #31
Crank sensor conncts up on top of the inlet.

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Posted 5th Oct 2012 at 21:00
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Post #32
I know that citroen never used any info that peugeot gained from there kit car program.
The engine used an 88mm bore by 82 stroke.
The citroen engine never revved as hard as the peugeot engine did. The peugeot engines had a rev limit of 9700rpm where the citroen were around the 8800-9000rpm mark.
I know the peugeot engines had 9 evolutions from when they started to when they finished the program.
I don't know how many evolutions citroen did with the engine
Posted 5th Oct 2012 at 21:07
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Post #33
I spotted the rev difference!

The Xsara Kit-Car engine used to develop 295hp@8500rpm and 250Nm@7250rpm

The last Maxi, the EVO9 had 308hp@11.000rpm and 265Nm@8900rpm


The most surprising is the fact that the Xsara Kit Car engine is so close to the roadgoing VTS engine, that even the rev range is only about 2000rpms higher! Yet it develops 295hp! Scary Big grin


BTW. I sent Gwynnespeed a message hoping to get a bit more info about these beasts!

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Posted 5th Oct 2012 at 21:13
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Post #34
It all looks very fancy given that pug1off have got 302bhp and 184lbft from an xu10j4rs!

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Posted 5th Oct 2012 at 21:18
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Post #35
pete_rallye wrote:
It all looks very fancy given that pug1off have got 302bhp and 184lbft from an xu10j4rs!


Shock specs?

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best 1/8 ET : 9.375 @ 74.42mph
best 1/4 ET: 14.603 @ 97.047mph

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Posted 5th Oct 2012 at 21:26
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daveyboy

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Post #36
250nm vs 184nm though? Big difference.

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Posted 5th Oct 2012 at 21:27
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vts_tibi

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Post #37
daveyboy wrote:
250nm vs 184nm though? Big difference.


nope! 184lbft which equals to 249,5Nm Shock

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Posted 5th Oct 2012 at 21:31
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crossflow

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Post #38
The evo 8 and 9 engine for peugeot were very well known for blowing up they were known as hand grenades.
The evo 7 engine is the best out of the lot of them.
Also don't forget these engine ran on 120 octane fuels.
The fia where strict on peugeot at the end of development putting inlet resistors on the engines and capping sizes on valves and stuff
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Post #39
184LB/FT vs 250NM (~185lbft) not that bigger difference, although with variable length inlets etc I'm sure the citroen motor would have been a damn site friendlier to drive!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhO3K_qmok0

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Posted 5th Oct 2012 at 21:33
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daveyboy

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Post #40
vts_tibi wrote:
daveyboy wrote:
250nm vs 184nm though? Big difference.


nope! 184lbft which equals to 249,5Nm Shock


I need glasses Geek LOL

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clen666

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Post #41
184lb ft = 249NM

Edit: far too slow

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Posted 5th Oct 2012 at 21:34
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crossflow

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Post #42
Well this is 292bhp and 184Ib ft in a 306 all before 9000rpm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4zGlOcRy4g&feature=player_embedded
Posted 5th Oct 2012 at 21:43
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daveyboy

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Post #43
crossflow wrote:
Well this is 292bhp and 184Ib ft in a 306 all before 9000rpm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4zGlOcRy4g&feature=player_embedded


Whats the rough spec on this engine please?

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Posted 5th Oct 2012 at 22:13
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Post #44
Just steel crank rods, forged pistons, alot of head work with custom valves, springs, customs cams spec up by myself, jenvey bodies with custom inlet and exhaust manifolds, just 4 injectors running efi euro 1 ecu.
You'll find picture of it on my website mdrengines.co.uk
Posted 5th Oct 2012 at 22:25
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pete_rallye

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Post #45
Isn't it Peter Wilkinsons old 306? It had a 405 supertouring car Mi16 engine in it when I saw it? I'm sure I have some pictures of it somewhere, I'll dig them out.

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Posted 5th Oct 2012 at 22:29
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Post #46
Nice looking engines on your site. Inlet looks rather short tho Huh? thought they would be a tad longer for more grunt?

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http://www.mikadoracing.com/annonces/detail_annonces.php?id_annonce=1691066&categ=7#photo0

That's the inlet of the Xsara Kit-Car.

The guys wants 5500€ for it tho Unsure

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best 1/8 ET : 9.375 @ 74.42mph
best 1/4 ET: 14.603 @ 97.047mph

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Posted 24th Jan 2013 at 21:12
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24seven

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Post #48
Interesting setup for the variable inlet there. Without much more design work it could be made as a progressive variation, rather than a switched long/short length, and at different RPM's could have been mapped to specific lengths. I've got a chart somewhere showing how Ferrari mapped a progressively variable inlet on their 2000/1 F1 V10 engine that helped it break 800bhp for the first time.

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Posted 25th Jan 2013 at 01:05
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vts_tibi

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Post #49
How could you achieve progressive variation? I'm researching all necessary info to build my ITB system.

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best 60' : 2.272
best 1/8 ET : 9.375 @ 74.42mph
best 1/4 ET: 14.603 @ 97.047mph

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Posted 25th Jan 2013 at 19:11
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24seven

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Click. That's a video of the Ferrari F1 system being moved by hand.

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Posted 25th Jan 2013 at 19:22
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