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Post #76
Thanks again for all the help and opinions, mates.

Ryan - you are right that the car is more road use than track. But i do feel i need some extra braking power with 280 horses under the bonnet.
Buying new Tarox discs and pads is not such a hassle, since i buy them new (only they'll be a bit pricey).
The big problem are the bigger kits, especially kits which include used calipers.

I am checking some prices for EBC red stuff and Tarox disc. I'll update once i get them and see if the noise gets lower.
Posted 6th Jun 2012 at 21:26
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Drive to England, buy bits
Needed, find somebody on the forum who can loan you there garage or drive for an hour or two, fit the bits, drive back to holland, tax avoided, brakes sorted.
Job done.

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Posted 6th Jun 2012 at 21:34
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buzzbrightyear wrote:
Drive to England, buy bits
Needed, find somebody on the forum who can loan you there garage or drive for an hour or two, fit the bits, drive back to holland, tax avoided, brakes sorted.
Job done.


^^ That is a very good suggestion. Yes

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Posted 6th Jun 2012 at 22:38
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Of course. That is exactly what i would do, if i lived in EU, which i currently dont. Smile
If i lived in EU, i would drive to the UK, get a 4 pot AP racing kit, get a good tuner to help me tune the car, add some more great stuff and buy another GTI6, just for fun. Acutally, i would buy a BMW E46 M3 and tune that one as well, just to have a FWD with 400 BHP and a RWD with 600 BHP - to experience both.
Unfortunately - its not an option for me. I have to do the best i can. I also tune my car alone, well, with some help from a friend (but its fun to learn about tuning). Smile
Posted 6th Jun 2012 at 22:46
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Fair enough, as long as you are happy with the cost of the Tarox then they seem to be a good step up from standard going on Owains first hand experience.

I know with that extra power it always seems the logical option to upgrade but standard items stop a 306 from 100+Mph very easy so for me on the road it wouldn't be needed no matter how much power I had as long as I hadn't significantly increased the weight of the car. If you had to worry about temps etc on a track then fair enough but I think you would have to drive like an absolute tit on the road for Gti6 brakes to not be good enough.

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Posted 6th Jun 2012 at 22:55
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Post #81
ButHow would you fetch all 3 cars back?
I was just talking about a second hand kit and discs
It whatever is needed LOL

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Posted 6th Jun 2012 at 22:55
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I find my gti6 setup absolutely fine for the road use.

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Posted 6th Jun 2012 at 22:57
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Post #83
I'll be honest, I never liked my standard brake setup anywhere.

I couldn't wait to get rid of it and upgrade. I guess it's each to their own. Wink

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Posted 7th Jun 2012 at 09:37
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Post #84
I thought the standard brakes were perfectly fine for low boost on road. I upgraded because I wanted to.

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Posted 7th Jun 2012 at 10:17
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Post #85
Update.
I bought a pair of very nice tarox G88 288mm discs.
Bought Red stuff pads to match.
Result after 30 miles. Awful banshee squeals. It works ok when firmly touching the brakes, but lgiht braking is a nightmare. My ds2500 on OEM discs were much better sound wise.
The Tarox - red stuff feels much better when braking, but i cant stand the sound, even light braking on highways is terrible. I didnt hit it hard yet, since they need to get some bedding in for 400 miles
Maybe i should save the pads a little bit (it was hard to insert them), or give them more time?
If trimming (the height - not the width or length),them doesnt work - i will try OEM pads. If this doesnt work - hell i am going back to ds2500 + OEM discs or back to OEM GTI6 setup.

Any more suggestions?
Posted 20th Aug 2012 at 22:09
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Post #86
Red pads are excessive. They are full race and needs lots of heat, check the bedding in procedd, i dont think it will involve ANY light braking.

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Fatbas**rd wrote:
Update.
I bought a pair of very nice tarox G88 288mm discs.
Bought Red stuff pads to match.
Result after 30 miles. Awful banshee squeals. It works ok when firmly touching the brakes, but lgiht braking is a nightmare. My ds2500 on OEM discs were much better sound wise.
The Tarox - red stuff feels much better when braking, but i cant stand the sound, even light braking on highways is terrible. I didnt hit it hard yet, since they need to get some bedding in for 400 miles
Maybe i should save the pads a little bit (it was hard to insert them), or give them more time?
If trimming (the height - not the width or length),them doesnt work - i will try OEM pads. If this doesnt work - hell i am going back to ds2500 + OEM discs or back to OEM GTI6 setup.

Any more suggestions?

Iirc red stuff pads are fairly aggressive pads and require heat in them to work properly, which could explain the issue as driving on the road your never going to get them heated up properly and therefore never going to lose the squeal or get the best out of them.... Just my 2p's worth! Wink

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Posted 20th Aug 2012 at 23:12
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Post #88
So what's better - OEM pads or maybe EBC greenstuff?
EBC red stuff are more aggressive than DS2500?
The Bedding in for Tarox is being light on the brakes for 400 miles.
So i think its more important than the pads right now.
Maybe its not a good combination and OEM will be enough for my braking requirements. Smile
Posted 20th Aug 2012 at 23:18
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CL RC6E.

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Posted 20th Aug 2012 at 23:20
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Post #90
400 pounds? its twice than the red stuff. I think i'll go for OEM, and see how well they respond.
The car has almost 300 BHP, but its daily driven much more than a track beast, for now.
Posted 20th Aug 2012 at 23:25
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what's £400?

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Posted 21st Aug 2012 at 00:12
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welshpug! wrote:
what's £400?


I think he means the RC6 pads are £400. Seems quite expensive, but maybe that's the cheapest he can get them for in Holland? Dunno

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Posted 21st Aug 2012 at 06:36
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Post #93
Don't use CL pads on a road car, they'll completely destroy your wheels.

I used Yellowstuffs on mine (purely because they were all that were in stock) and they were great. You got the tiniest squeal when breaking very very gently, but that's true of any brakes that can handle high temps.

I'd go for those Yes

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Posted 21st Aug 2012 at 07:59
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Arent these even more aggressive than redstuff?
Posted 21st Aug 2012 at 08:45
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Dunno, they were great on track but also fine on road.

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No, red are full race, yellow are rally, green fast road, rc6e are endurance pafs, £197, rc5 are about £140 iirc.

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Posted 21st Aug 2012 at 08:52
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Maybe i should bed them In for 500 miles, as stated in EBC's site and then estimate noise level.
Posted 21st Aug 2012 at 09:26
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Post #98
Get other pads imo
Reds are a bit mcuh probably.
Either ferodo's or greens

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Posted 21st Aug 2012 at 09:33
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I saw several post in forums talking about redstuff noise eliminated after 2 weeks.
My DS2500 were very noisy at start and then got better.
The difference now is that DS2500 are noisy when braking hard and the redstuff are noisy when braking light.
The dilemma Smile
Posted 21st Aug 2012 at 11:01
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I've got Owain's old setup on my track car so can give some feedback next Tuesday once it's been out on track?

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Posted 21st Aug 2012 at 11:03
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