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Pug 1 off claiming to have 195 bhp and 155 lbs torque on a standard gti6 engine transplant into a 205 with cams ,tubular manifold and a remap 0 to 60 in 5.5 sec is this possible or is it tuner HYPE ? Your views opinions on this

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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 15:35
eliotrw

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With cams and manifold yes.
Thats not standard then is it. Its modified.
This has been done millions of times over.

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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 15:42
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b11 bob wrote:
Pug 1 off claiming to have 195 bhp and 155 lbs torque on a standard gti6 engine transplant into a 205 with cams ,tubular manifold and a remap 0 to 60 in 5.5 sec is this possible or is it tuner HYPE ? Your views opinions on this
So if you were to fit throttle bodies to this set up what sort of bhp/torque would you get ?

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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 15:42
rallyeash

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Maybe a touch optomistic but not un achievable

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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 15:42
welshpug!

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Post #5
probably looking around similar figures torque wise with bodies but no cams, power would be around 190.


but as described it certainly IS NOT STANDARD.

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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 15:46
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eliotrw wrote:
With cams and manifold yes.
Thats not standard then is it. Its modified.
This has been done millions of times over.
Its standard with cams internals are standard anyway.They normally have cutouts cut deeper on the pistons when going for longer duration cams.So if you dont have cutouts you get valve to piston contact although i read on here a chap called russian guy ran 194 bhp without cutouts and someone else got 191 with Kent pt81

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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 15:47
welshpug!

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Denis (Russian guy) has enlarged cutouts.

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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 15:48
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welshpug! wrote:
probably looking around similar figures torque wise with bodies but no cams, power would be around 190.


but as described it certainly IS NOT STANDARD.
So would you get say 20 bhp if you were to fit bodies to his already camed engine ?If cams gave 195 bhp and 155 lbs torque what will adding bodies give combined ?

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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 15:51
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Yeah bob but maybe the extra 4hp is coming from the manifold with (likely) ph81's
Or maybe it comes from some other part of this "Standard" engine...
Funny how my "Standard" one is only 167hp eh? Must be the bore wear....

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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 15:52
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welshpug! wrote:
Denis (Russian guy) has enlarged cutouts.
Someone i think roland rat got 191 ? without cut outs with pt 81's or someone else

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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 15:53
welshpug!

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anyway, is this a RR claimed guesstimate of the figures or an engine dyno?

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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 15:54
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Besides for all we know its got cutouts...

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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 15:57
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Post #13
eliotrw wrote:
Yeah bob but maybe the extra 4hp is coming from the manifold with (likely) ph81's
Or maybe it comes from some other part of this "Standard" engine...
Funny how my "Standard" one is only 167hp eh? Must be the bore wear....
His claim of 0 to 60 in 5.5 secs with a 195 bhp 205 is questionable to say the least but he does say hes got a qualfe diff and a lower final drive perhaps hes hitting 60 in 3rd.If thats the case he must be very quick with his gear changes 3 gear changes must take a couple of secounds to do.Also he must have a perfect launch to get 5.5 secs but then again he is a tuner trying to sell his products so he must be good

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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 15:59
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Just realised what car you are on about. was in evos last month
The mods are as follows:

you can have the same motor uprated to full ‘195’ spec with high-lift, long-duration camshafts, a tubular exhaust manifold, a modified inlet housing and an ECU remap with a 7800rpm rev limit. That little lot delivers 195bhp

7800 Rev limit AND modified inlet housing eh?

ITs still standard though right???

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/281950/driven_pug1off_peugeot_205_gti_195.html

The 0-60 is actually 5.6 (hardly much different i know)

Other mods the test car had

This Pug1Off 205 (owned by proprietor Mark Davies) is pretty much fully loaded. It features £2190-worth of six-speed transmission, complete with Quaife ATB limited-slip differential, shorter final drive, rose-jointed linkages and a short-shift kit.

Then there’s a £2750 suspension kit comprising Bilstein Group N gas dampers, Eibach front lowering springs, Group N strut rubbers, negative camber front and rear arms, a rebuilt solid-mounted rear beam axle, uprated torsion and anti-roll bars and a full geometry set-up. The big front brake kit uses 284mm Tarox grooved discs and 206 GTI 180 calipers, plus uprated pads and fluid (£725), while a stainless-steel exhaust system (£420) and Group N engine mounts (£156) complete what is a very serious 205 indeed. You can pick and choose how much you upgrade yours, however.

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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 16:00
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welshpug! wrote:
anyway, is this a RR claimed guesstimate of the figures or an engine dyno?
I just read it on the net no rolling road mentioned it got featured in evo magazine.Ironically he achives peak power at 7400 rpm which sounds about right as far has i know.

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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 16:04
eliotrw

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So just to claify:

Final drive is lower.
Modified inlet and exhaust manifold
High lift cams
Higer rev limit
Full stainless exhaust

About 3k of mods there potentially....

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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 16:05
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eliotrw wrote:
Just realised what car you are on about. was in evos last month
The mods are as follows:

you can have the same motor uprated to full ‘195’ spec with high-lift, long-duration camshafts, a tubular exhaust manifold, a modified inlet housing and an ECU remap with a 7800rpm rev limit. That little lot delivers 195bhp

7800 Rev limit AND modified inlet housing eh?

ITs still standard though right???

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/281950/driven_pug1off_peugeot_205_gti_195.html

The 0-60 is actually 5.6 (hardly much different i know)

Yes thats the one ive just read peak power at 7400 rpm

Other mods the test car had

This Pug1Off 205 (owned by proprietor Mark Davies) is pretty much fully loaded. It features £2190-worth of six-speed transmission, complete with Quaife ATB limited-slip differential, shorter final drive, rose-jointed linkages and a short-shift kit.

Then there’s a £2750 suspension kit comprising Bilstein Group N gas dampers, Eibach front lowering springs, Group N strut rubbers, negative camber front and rear arms, a rebuilt solid-mounted rear beam axle, uprated torsion and anti-roll bars and a full geometry set-up. The big front brake kit uses 284mm Tarox grooved discs and 206 GTI 180 calipers, plus uprated pads and fluid (£725), while a stainless-steel exhaust system (£420) and Group N engine mounts (£156) complete what is a very serious 205 indeed. You can pick and choose how much you upgrade yours, however.

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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 16:06
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eliotrw wrote:
So just to claify:

Final drive is lower.
Modified inlet and exhaust manifold
High lift cams
Higer rev limit
Full stainless exhaust

About 3k of mods there potentially....

Sounds right to me

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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 16:10
eliotrw

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Think we can all agree that aint standard now :p

Tbh i think the cams are probably not ph81's if all that other stuff gives it 4hp.

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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 16:12
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eliotrw wrote:
Think we can all agree that aint standard now :p

Tbh i think the cams are probably not ph81's if all that other stuff gives it 4hp.


Without getting into a meaning less debate with you i will still class it has a standard engine based on its internals being standard although i can see why you would not call it standard due to it having cams modified manifolds etc Yes

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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 16:19
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who cares, mine would still wipe the floor with it.

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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 16:28
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buzzbrightyear wrote:
who cares, mine would still wipe the floor with it.
What have you got ? Seen your project thread car looks mint but whats the performance like and the figuers?

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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 16:34
welshpug!

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Post #23
a "standard engine" means standard inlet, standard cams, standard pistons, standard rods, standard crank, standard exhaust.

it does not mean cams exhaust modified inlet pistons or mapped ecu!

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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 16:37
eliotrw

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Yeah. Like mine.

Second you raise rev limits ITS CLEARLY not standard.

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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 16:39
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Post #25
buzzbrightyear wrote:
who cares, mine would still wipe the floor with it.


LOL

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