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SteviePut

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Post #76
Ah well it's s**t then Laugh my ass off

I obviously know nowt but if it's so low how come they have always handled so well? Is the stiffness proportional to it's weight? In some way? I hope you get what I'm on about LOL

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Posted 27th Mar 2012 at 23:51
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Post #77
Righto I've asked the question over on the Lotus forum and got this reply. You are right but . . .


"That figure compares well to a lot of normal convertible cars but it's especially good when you consider that as the car is light it doesn't have as much force acting upon it causing it to twist"

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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 00:00
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i was going to buy a civic type r once, i owned a clio sport trophy at the time and fancied the civic type r, after a few test drives i decided my clio was better, a few months down the line i traded my clio in for an integra type r cause it simply was astonishing but lacking that extra something

my 205 gti6 finally got completed and this car has that extra something

and to be fair the ep3 type r isnt a real type r now is it, if you want the real deal its gotta be the ek9

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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 00:20
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Post #79
What's the chassis stiffness for an Exige? Whistle

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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 00:35
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Post #80
SteviePut wrote:
Righto I've asked the question over on the Lotus forum and got this reply. You are right but . . .


"That figure compares well to a lot of normal convertible cars but it's especially good when you consider that as the car is light it doesn't have as much force acting upon it causing it to twist"


Not so accurate claim, the centrifugal force that act on the car is much more depend on the velocity.

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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 00:36
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Post #81
Its the same you bloody fool! The roof comes of the Exige just the same as it does on the Elise Laugh my ass off Flip
Google exige convertible Smile

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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 00:38
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Post #82
BTW, as you knew the Elise chassis is made from aluminium extrusions, read further a copied post :

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Bearing in mind there are variations in how chassis stiffness is measured, this link http://www.germancarforum.com/test-data/12334-list... gives some interesting and credible data and also suggests that plenty of steel and aluminium cars are much stiffer than the McLaren. That is not to say better in strength to weight, ability to package the structure around the occupants/mechanicals, or even crash performance. But perhaps stiffer. If I find the data for Bristol I will post it, but if you accept the figure of 13,500 Nm for the Mac it is not unreasonable for a car with a heavy gauge steel chassis and improved loading shared by the roof pillars (603 vs previous Bristols, but pre-Fighter) to achieve or surpass this stiffness. Many mass produced steel monocoques are now indisputably much much stiffer than 13,500 N/m.

Anyhow and OT, apart from the fact that McLaren wanted to build a landmark car that reflected contemporary Formula 1, the F1 could never have been built from aluminium. Ally differs from carbon in it's fatigue response; Bugatti learned as much when they were developing the five aluminium EB110 prototypes and found that the aluminium chassis lost 20% of it's torsional stiffness after 30,000 km testing - hence the carbon production car. (That Bugatti was a very thoroughly developed car, the quote about the chassis stiffness is again from EVO, March 2005). The drop off in performance with fatigue would not have been acceptable to GM"

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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 08:22
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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 15:15
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Post #84
Ignorance is bliss.

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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 18:41
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oldbrownshoe wrote:
Ignorance is bliss.


You know nothing, you just quote other peoples words. You're the ignorant one Smile

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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 20:37
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Post #86
In real life the car wouldn't be subjected to 20,000nm of twisting force unless you were regularly riding kerbs at speed, so the threshold at which the chassis fatigues would be greatly increased. Basically the chassis on the Lotus exceeds by far all the criteria necessary for it to be fit for purpose. You don't need RSJs in the sills of a car that weighs less than a tonne.

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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 21:09
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Post #87
Just get your friend to get a 6 Yes any day over a type r Thumbs up

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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 21:30
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Post #88
vtec is just exaggerated noise anyway, the gti6 will be a nicer car to drive everyday with more mid range torque, the gti6 just put your foot down and it goes, with vtec your dropping gears and thrashing it

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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 21:40
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allsmiles wrote:
vtec is just exaggerated noise anyway, the gti6 will be a nicer car to drive everyday with more mid range torque, the gti6 just put your foot down and it goes, with vtec your dropping gears and thrashing it


Laugh my ass off @ just an exaggerated noise!

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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 21:43
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come on it is lol! altho yes it does sound amazing, it sounds like its going a 150mph when in actually about 50mph

i had a dc2 type r so im allowed to have my opinion Thumbs up

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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 21:55
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I understood the mid-range torque on the EP3 model Type-R was meant to be pretty good no?

The 'lack of torque' is just mistaken knowledge b/fwd from the EK9 days?

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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 21:59
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allsmiles wrote:
come on it is lol! altho yes it does sound amazing, it sounds like its going a 150mph when in actually about 50mph

i had a dc2 type r so im allowed to have my opinion Thumbs up


You're a f**king idiot Yes

Take a look at any rolling road graph of a vtech and youll realise why I said that. I can only presume you didn't take your Dc2 over 5k

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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 22:02
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there was plenty of vtec'ing when i had my dc2, even the ep3 didnt feel as lively as my clio sport did mid range anyway

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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 22:09
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and i used to take my dc2 all the way to 8.5k

gawd theres some proper tools in here

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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 22:10
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allsmiles wrote:
and i used to take my dc2 all the way to 8.5k

gawd theres some proper tools in here


Indeed there are if you are telling me that you couldn't tell when it kicked in? Really? Erm?

I do own a Type R by the way

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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 22:29
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kicked in just before 6k actually

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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 22:30
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I'm well aware of the kick in point Roll eyes

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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 22:38
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redrallye wrote:
I'm well aware of the kick in point Roll eyes


Depends on the Honda Thumbs up

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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 22:41
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allsmiles wrote:
there was plenty of vtec'ing when i had my dc2, even the ep3 didnt feel as lively as my clio sport did mid range anyway


More likely due to displacement of the clio being higher and giving you more torque there.

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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 22:41
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adam b wrote:
redrallye wrote:
I'm well aware of the kick in point Roll eyes


Depends on the Honda Thumbs up


Possibly to be fair. I do have a close ratio box in mine which could exaggerate it. Either way, V-Tech exists Yes

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Posted 28th Mar 2012 at 22:48

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