Post #26
Would I be correct in thinking the higher the 'slip' angle (not sure that is the right term) the more sideways you are the more the mounts will flex and the more you will be turned into the corner?
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 lewisdmz
Senior User  Location: plymouth Registered: 25 Jul 2009 Posts: 504 Status: Offline |
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 Posted 20th Mar 2012 at 18:29
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #27
The mounts will only allow so much movement as they are'nt designed to give much, but the harder you turn (up to a point) the more rear steer you will get.________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 20th Mar 2012 at 18:36
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #28
Exactly, they help you passively steer the rear through a bend. So the more steering effort you put in, the more force that is applied to the mounts and as Daveyboy says to a point the more assistance to steering they will give you.The reason I am not a fan is because if you turn in hard and then find you need to lift off you will incur the famous LOOS and that has caught so many people out over the years. With the solids I find that more effort is required for a hard turn but the rear stays where you think it should stay and is more managable.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
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Posted 21st Mar 2012 at 11:05
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daver6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Durham Registered: 08 Aug 2010 Posts: 2,379 Status: Offline |
Post #29
stan_306gti6 wrote: Exactly, they help you passively steer the rear through a bend. So the more steering effort you put in, the more force that is applied to the mounts and as Daveyboy says to a point the more assistance to steering they will give you. The reason I am not a fan is because if you turn in hard and then find you need to lift off you will incur the famous LOOS and that has caught so many people out over the years. With the solids I find that more effort is required for a hard turn but the rear stays where you think it should stay and is more managable. That ALMOST suggests that by only changing the rear mounts and not touching the front, you'll have a little more understeer or a slower turning car? I've been caught out by LOOS at high speed and at a not so high speed, though both instances were in the wet. I've only once experienced it once in the dry with some very hard turn in, luckily, I caught it, but it was still a little disconcerting ________________________________________ Red Rallye - Rolling "restoration"Wishbone Polybushes available |
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Posted 21st Mar 2012 at 15:59
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #30
This is true, and in order to give you back the feeling at the front, front end mods are then needed.To be fair, I upgraded the front and got it pretty much where I wanted it before I messed with the rear...  Then once I had the rear sorted, I then fettled with the front and got the whole setup to where I felt really happy with it. I can't quite imagine many people would leave the suspension completely standard and only upgrade the rear mounts to solids. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 21st Mar 2012 at 20:33
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daver6
Seasoned Pro Location: Durham Registered: 08 Aug 2010 Posts: 2,379 Status: Offline |
Post #31
My plans are only for 25mm front springs on b4s. It already has new genuine rear mounts.I'll be making and fitting some solid wishbone bushes too ________________________________________ Red Rallye - Rolling "restoration"Wishbone Polybushes available |
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Posted 22nd Mar 2012 at 15:23
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #32
Sounds like you've got the front end pretty much sorted then. I started off with Spax and ran that 40mm drop for about 3 years I think, subsequently moved on to KW V2's and really like them.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 22nd Mar 2012 at 21:21
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daver6
Seasoned Pro Location: Durham Registered: 08 Aug 2010 Posts: 2,379 Status: Offline |
Post #33
Do you think solid bushes and b4s on eibach springs would be stiff enough to balance the back with the hybrid arb________________________________________ Red Rallye - Rolling "restoration"Wishbone Polybushes available |
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Posted 15th Apr 2012 at 18:10
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #34
daver6 wrote: Do you think solid bushes and b4s on eibach springs would be stiff enough to balance the back with the hybrid arb I would have thought so, sounds like a decent setup. Have you thought about going for a 30mm ARB? ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 15th Apr 2012 at 19:46
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greenbelt
Seasoned Pro  Location: How's Life In London? Registered: 23 Apr 2006 Posts: 1,961 Status: Offline |
Post #35
daver6 wrote: Do you think solid bushes and b4s on eibach springs would be stiff enough to balance the back with the hybrid arb I ran that spec for a long time. As long as the car isn't lowered too much it is a great setup ________________________________________ Standard Black 6Black HBSC6  |
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Posted 15th Apr 2012 at 20:02
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #36
standard bushes work fine with B4's eibachs and Hybrid arb  oh and that's with a 25mm rear drop. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 15th Apr 2012 at 20:04
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gilesy
Seasoned Pro  Location: Greenwich - in that London Registered: 03 Apr 2006 Posts: 5,133 Status: Offline |
Post #37
As long as you ask for OE/lemforder from GSF you will get exactly the same mounts as you will get from Peugeot at a fraction of the price. The larger mount came in a box marked 'Hutchinson' or similar. |
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Posted 15th Apr 2012 at 20:11
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #38
For a nice fast road setup, I would suggest the 30mm ARB with solid beam mounts and 21mm TB's. This is what I run and the rear end is planted. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 16th Apr 2012 at 10:59
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daver6
Seasoned Pro Location: Durham Registered: 08 Aug 2010 Posts: 2,379 Status: Offline |
Post #39
stan_306gti6 wrote: For a nice fast road setup, I would suggest the 30mm ARB with solid beam mounts and 21mm TB's. This is what I run and the rear end is planted. I wish I could afford it!! I'm putting eibachs on my b4s and renewing the front bushes. Hopefully it'll offer a little more front end confidence ________________________________________ Red Rallye - Rolling "restoration"Wishbone Polybushes available |
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Posted 16th Apr 2012 at 16:07
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #40
I found uprating the rear end on my car/s affected front turn in dramatically.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 16th Apr 2012 at 16:21
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #41
welshpug! wrote: I found uprating the rear end on my car/s affected front turn in dramatically. Yes I agree. The setup I posted above which I currently run made the front end very 'pointy'. The steering wheel feedback was great and the car just went wherever you asked it to go. The fact that I've also got R888's all-round as well just compliment the setup totally and make for a very solid package. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 16th Apr 2012 at 16:26
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daver6
Seasoned Pro Location: Durham Registered: 08 Aug 2010 Posts: 2,379 Status: Offline |
Post #42
Right, well ....I've got new top mount bearings, B4's and Eibachs. Will be matching these with solid front mounts and probably powerflex comp rears (I don't have time at present to machine the rears). Hopefully, that'll give a bit more balance. At present the rear feels like it squats down nice and tight and the front "floats/wanders" around ________________________________________ Red Rallye - Rolling "restoration"Wishbone Polybushes available |
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Posted 22nd Apr 2012 at 00:03
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