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jimmyhackers

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as my gti is still in pieces and on the drawing board as to purpose ive bought another 306 to tootle about in, this will be my fourth 306. but my first one that is not a phase one.

is a 2.0 xsi v reg and i am pleasantly pleased with it, for 400 quid i cant complain. the rev counter and oil level dial arnt working but everything else is perfect so see it as a good buy.

after about 2 weeks of owning it i though id just let people know what a like and dont about the "face lift" model.

likes.
bonnet dampers, (very cool)
the pockets where the keypad used to be in the centre console. (they hold a phone/wallet really well)
stealth shelf instead of exposed speakers
extra rear brake light
the electric window buttons are in a better place

dislikes.
not having the top glovebox
not having the keypad (i like to pretend im a secret agent or a fighter pilot)
exterior "facelift" styling.......nearly all of it.....even the colour coding isnt to my taste (i prefer the retro look)
the rain sensor is really miffing me off. ( i know how fast i want my wipers to go!!!)
the interior styling........the door cards seem rather wastefull on the space side. and its seems a bit pooey nail that they went from nice black leather and alacantara, to patterns of splodgy paint drawn oak leaves??????
im just glad someone before me swapped the seats for older style leather and alacantara seats.

out of interest how different is my 2.0 xsi engine and car from a gti6? the brakes seem identical, the only differnce i can make out is the inlet and exhaust manifold along with the rev limit. am i correct in my observations?
i only ask as i still have the exhaust mainfold and few other bits from my totalled gti6 engine.

thanks for your replies in advance

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Posted 7th Mar 2012 at 01:15
mattgti6phase2

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Post #2
The engines are pretty much identical. Your inlet mani off the 6 will fit straight on to the xsi engine.

Internally though the pistons are different between the 2 engines.

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Posted 7th Mar 2012 at 10:30
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jimmyhackers wrote:

out of interest how different is my 2.0 xsi engine and car from a gti6? the brakes seem identical, the only differnce i can make out is the inlet and exhaust manifold along with the rev limit. am i correct in my observations?
i only ask as i still have the exhaust mainfold and few other bits from my totalled gti6 engine.

thanks for your replies in advance


Exhaust manifold is diffrerent,inlet is different along with the pistons as matt has said plus some reworkings on the management side of things

brakes are smaller 266mm items IIRC
Posted 7th Mar 2012 at 11:24
jimmyhackers

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it appears someone has put aftermarket brakes on the front and kept the rear standard but painted the calipers blue :S

cant complain as it stops as well as my 6 did Smile

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Posted 7th Mar 2012 at 12:31
peetypug

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Your 6 used a lorry to stop didn't it Wink Laugh my ass off

I was watching one on eBay recently that I was going use as a run around.
As already said, inlet and exhaust manifolds are different.
Brakes are 266 as opposed to 283
I think they run about 137bhp iirc

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You sir either live for the 6 or have a mental retardation to still be repairing this!

The best engine in the world is the vagina, it takes any size piston, its self lubricating, starts with 1 finger, and every 4 weeks does its own oil change. It's just a pity the management system is so fecking temperamental. 
Posted 7th Mar 2012 at 13:53
jimmyhackers

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yes, im still pretty cut up about it all....... i worked the whole year, 90 hour weeks, no holiday, saved up both my money and had the whole odf dec off to enjoy my car then about 3 days after my birthday and after i have my new shiney engine some foreign twat takes it all away.

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Posted 7th Mar 2012 at 16:19
af1-gti

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You took a month off work to enjoy your car?
Heh cool!

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Posted 8th Mar 2012 at 09:47
mattgti6phase2

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af1-gti wrote:
You took a month off work to enjoy your car?
Heh cool!


That's living for the 306 Ninja

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Posted 8th Mar 2012 at 09:54
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mattgti6phase2 wrote:
af1-gti wrote:
You took a month off work to enjoy your car?
Heh cool!


That's living for the 306 Ninja


Yeah it really is lol

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Posted 8th Mar 2012 at 10:05
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The XSi engine is the same block, however it has different pistons, cams, inlet/exhaust manifold and no piston oil spray bars. Also, I believe the cam carriers don't have the lugs on them to mount individual coil packs. Wink

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Posted 8th Mar 2012 at 13:32
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same crank, possibly same rods, no cam sensor hole or vac pump.

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Posted 8th Mar 2012 at 13:34
simonjames

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also no 'RS' stamped on it

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Posted 8th Mar 2012 at 13:36
welshpug!

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bigger inlet valves!

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Posted 8th Mar 2012 at 14:01
jimmyhackers

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i see...... so quite a lot different, i think ill save the modifcations for my gti. this car when i eventually fix the central locking and rev counter should be able to be sold for at least what a bought it for (£400) if not more, tis a very tidy motor

ive decided im stripping out the aircon and other things with the 6 and trying my mad hho cells.
i noticed a %100 increase in mpg with motorway driving on my 1.4 with crude (jam jar cells) they only gave 1-2 lpm of gas. with my proper cells im getting closer to 16lpm of gas for around the same amperage and volts (12v@20amps)
my argument it with it all centrers around the "detonation" property of the gas even in less than 1% concentration. as petrol "combusts" the flames spread out from the spark plug. meaning the mixture will be in different stages of combustion depending on distance from the spark plug gap. i.e when the piston is on its way down the combustion is still happening but in a larger chamber. making for a less efficient use of the combustion charge.
hho with its detonational property will aid the flame to spread much more quickly and alow a more even/complete combustion to happen when the piston is just on its way down. meaning for a smaller space for the pressure released to act upon.
its essentially the same principle as a diesel engine, which is a detonation engine not a combustion engine. i.e. due to diesel being ignited by pressure, the whole mixture is ignited evenly and doesn't have a "wave" of combustion going through it.

and yes i am mad

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Posted 9th Mar 2012 at 13:12
stan_306gti6 Forum Admin

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I am liking your thought process of this project, although maybe your overthinking it slightly...LOL

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Posted 9th Mar 2012 at 13:23
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in a polite way, your theories could send a glass eye to sleep. you overthink things in a huge way

LOL

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Posted 9th Mar 2012 at 13:24
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Based on how your thinking about flame fronts and combustion pressures etc, there is an interesting thread discussing such matters over in Engines at the moment by the name of "V-Power...hesitation". Maybe you could put your theory to good use over there. LOL

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Posted 9th Mar 2012 at 13:37
jimmyhackers

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i was reading up on that thread. i think people mainly misconcieve a higher octane to mean more power stored in the fuel. all it means is its less likely to explode (pre-detonate)

if i remmember correctly i looked up all this stuff about running your car on alchahol/methanol which is essentially this bioethanol stuff they add to new fuel. it generally has a higher octane rating but in the same respect it has less stored energy within the fuel compared to petroluem

with all the detergant and addatives and higher methanolly biofuel its probably cleaned away some "vital dirt" or degraded (melted) some parts with the bioethanolyness

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Posted 9th Mar 2012 at 16:03

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