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 welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #126
Its very bumpy around there, so if its too low itll just twat the bump stops and go sideways.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
 Posted 26th Sep 2014 at 13:22
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devere
Senior User  Location: Saxtead Registered: 16 Dec 2008 Posts: 810 Status: Offline |
Post #127
Are the torsion bars matched to the front spring rates correctly? When I changed the rear bars before changing the front springs to be stiffer on mine a few years ago, it became amazingly tail happy.Stiffened up the front to match and it was fine. As people are saying, if it's toeing in, it should increase stability. Toe out will make it a bit tougher to handle. |
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Posted 26th Sep 2014 at 13:28
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro  Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #128
I'm not getting at you, I'm trying to help? I have no idea of your line, what you did with the throttle etc etc! You can make any car rotate during a bend if you know/don't know what you're doing.What is your rear ride height? Sounds like it's too low which will give you more toe in and less damper travel. I suggest you do some research into toe on the rear of fwd cars as I think you're looking in the wrong place buddy. ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 26th Sep 2014 at 13:27
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #129
As mentioned, the spec of your car would seriously help....________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 26th Sep 2014 at 13:28
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demondriverdan
Seasoned Pro  Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
Post #130
I wish the race car was as unstable as that, have to work damn hard to get that thing to rotate! Going to 0 toe at some point soon though  ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 26th Sep 2014 at 13:34
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro  Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #131
Hey dude, as requested:Rear Toe Left 0.56' Rear Camber Left -2.57' Rear Toe Right 0.54' Rear Camber Right -2.53' We work on "minutes" so 0.60' = 1.00' so to speak. ________________________________________ |
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Posted 26th Sep 2014 at 14:32
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #132
poxies r1 at 28psilowered the same as martins ________________________________________ |
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Posted 26th Sep 2014 at 14:33
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #133
Judging by the camber/toe it's a bit low. Beams nice and square which is unusual. Not quite sure how you can say it's the same height as martins, his beam sat an inch further up into the car so has little relevance. Ride height, rake, spring rates are VERY important if you want it to handle right so any info may help you diagnose it. I'll happily do you some arms with 0toe or toe out but I'm not sure it will help this problem at all. ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 26th Sep 2014 at 15:13
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #134
right ok________________________________________ |
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Posted 26th Sep 2014 at 16:55
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro  Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #135
Sounds like an odd situation, sure there wasn't some oil on the track or something? Shouldn't break away under power like that, even if you had loads of toe out it still shouldn't break away under power. There's not many 306's that hit 130mph on track so possibly the back end lifted and went light or something? Mine seemed ok at 130+ at the Nurburgring but that was only for a brief period before you're on the brakes. From memory Martins were standard toe but with additional camber? ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 26th Sep 2014 at 22:51
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bigbadbowen
Seasoned Pro  Location: Winchester Registered: 21 Nov 2003 Posts: 13,752 Status: Offline |
Post #136
fatlapit wrote: poxies r1 at 28psi lowered the same as martins Proxes r1 at 28psi ? Std psi is 36 and proxes are not great  |
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Posted 27th Sep 2014 at 00:01
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prism7guy
Seasoned Pro  Location: DoncastAAAAARGH Registered: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 4,637 Status: Offline |
Post #137
bigbadbowen wrote: fatlapit wrote: poxies r1 at 28psi lowered the same as martins Proxes r1 at 28psi ? Std psi is 36 and proxes are not great The r888's I use on track are usually around 26psi when cold. ________________________________________ Goldie the track car. |
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Posted 27th Sep 2014 at 01:21
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #138
Very different carcass on those.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 27th Sep 2014 at 02:26
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #139
I wouldn't attempt running 36psi in 1b tyres! I'm of the same mind as welshpug to be honest. Rough surface and little to no rear suspension travel will have upset things. As Pete says, under power the car should be being dragged where the front wheels are pointing, even with rear toe out. My car also has the same arms and I've never had a problem. To be fair mine won't pull 130 there either but it does in a couple of places at the ring, if I had no confidence in the arms I can assure you I wouldn't be doing 130+ through fox holes! ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 27th Sep 2014 at 08:28
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #140
lol i was hitting 145 mph before the rise________________________________________ |
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Posted 27th Sep 2014 at 09:52
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #141
if im honest i think i need better tyres________________________________________ |
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Posted 27th Sep 2014 at 09:53
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demondriverdan
Seasoned Pro Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
Post #142
I'd call the R1R more of a wet tyre so maybe try R888s and see how it goes then.________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 28th Sep 2014 at 12:46
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro  Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #143
Hitting 145 before the rise and 130 at folly?! I think your speedo is out or your lying!My 205 will hit around 130 up the rise and that's with a decent level of grip and on R888's out of camp. Hell even the front running saloon race cars aren't doing 145! And you've got crap road tyres as you've said above. What's your lap times? ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 28th Sep 2014 at 12:59
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #144
dunno mate speeds are set by gps. bearing in mind i was running nearly 400 bhp and 380 odd torque that day.________________________________________ |
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Posted 28th Sep 2014 at 13:33
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #145
oh i wasnt tge only person hitting 140s up to rise too________________________________________ |
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Posted 28th Sep 2014 at 13:38
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #146
I know a group A+ e30 will pull 150 over the rise, slicks and proper dampers, circa 1000kg kerb weight and not that much power but it is on the limiter.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 28th Sep 2014 at 13:48
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midlife
Seasoned Pro  Location: Colne, Lancashire Registered: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 7,544 Status: Offline |
Post #147
allanallen wrote: Judging by the camber/toe it's a bit low. Beams nice and square which is unusual. Not quite sure how you can say it's the same height as martins, his beam sat an inch further up into the car so has little relevance. I got the ride height setting from Martin, 285mm between bolt centres. That's the measurement directly from the beam on his 306 from the ring taxi video.  ________________________________________ Get used to seeing the yellow one !!! Team 330™ Team "no front end or engine" Team "LIMITED EDITION" I live for the 306 sticker  Team 0-60 in 6.44 & standing qtr in 14.808 @ 94.55mph all with std engine 203bhp Corolla T-Sport daily driver stealthier than Kwai Chang Caine |
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Posted 28th Sep 2014 at 15:08
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,817 Status: Offline |
Post #148
so IF Fatlapits beam is set to that then it'll be an inch higher at the sills.what's the spring rates? ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 28th Sep 2014 at 15:22
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clen666
Seasoned Pro  Location: Co. Durham Registered: 12 Feb 2009 Posts: 2,401 Status: Offline |
Post #149
Was that with 25mm bars?________________________________________ Team 'unintentional rat look' |
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Posted 28th Sep 2014 at 15:40
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #150
Martins ran Peugeot 23.5mm bars, not sure what this beam is as he seems reluctant to tell us any of the spec! ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 28th Sep 2014 at 16:47
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