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JoeyD

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m306 wrote:

well look at the numbers, book time is a laughable 8.5, most people say the actual time is about 7.2 so if yours does 7.5 then its pretty much what they should be, 6.6 however is a fair bit quicker, thats bmw 330ci quick so beyond what you could expect from a standard 6

Yeah, that's Peugeot for you though! Did the same with the 106 GTI which was much faster than book time!

musclebeach wrote:

Well if you look after that like i'm sure you will mate, you won't have any big issues, when you planning on whipping it back down to Carl to do the belt? His prices are really good considering the quality of work he does!

Bought the lightened crankshaft pulley off him too!
Loved the photos you took of it anyway on cliosport website, looked fantastic! Just glad someone's going to keep looking after it!

Possibly summer time as I think 30/35k is probably starting to push it with 306 cambelt!
Might have to take your advice and go for a lightened Flywheel to go with that pulley too - it'd be rude not to really...

Oh, I know what you mean. I sold my mint 106 to someone who's now putting morettes on it FFS Sad

I feel slightly guilty for letting it go actually! lol
The 306 is safe though, don't worry!

Posted 21st Jan 2012 at 23:49

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A car on 45 profiles will be 10% quicker in acceleration over 55 profile - according to Monkeyman, i dont know - he done the math!

But yeah, they are all different.

Like matt has said, his pulls freakishly well. It has the cleanest engine bay ive ever seen and has an oil change every 4k. He does treat it very well but it has lost a fair bit of weight over standard, has a decat and 45 tyres so although it does pull away from mine i am unsure about the real figures until we get on a rolling road.

Mine certainly isnt slow though, i personally would expect the late 6 seconds mark for mine on a 0-60 run.

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Posted 21st Jan 2012 at 23:51

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A car on 45 profiles will be 10% quicker in acceleration over 55 profile - according to Monkeyman, i dont know - he done the math!

wow that is quite alot, no wonder mine clocks up the mileage so quickly then on the 45s

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Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 00:12

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m306 wrote:

honestly3k wrote:

A car on 45 profiles will be 10% quicker in acceleration over 55 profile - according to Monkeyman, i dont know - he done the math!

wow that is quite alot, no wonder mine clocks up the mileage so quickly then on the 45s

Maybe seems excessive Dunno

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Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 00:16

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mattgti6phase2 wrote:

m306 wrote:

honestly3k wrote:

A car on 45 profiles will be 10% quicker in acceleration over 55 profile - according to Monkeyman, i dont know - he done the math!

wow that is quite alot, no wonder mine clocks up the mileage so quickly then on the 45s

Maybe seems excessive Dunno

not my choice, they came on the car when i got it so thought i might as well use them, they are t1r's and grip well on the b roads. once ive worn them out i will go 50s

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Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 00:20

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Anyway stop moaning, my Audi acceleration is about 11 seconds.......i had to give up my 7 second car due to this f*cking economy Roll eyes

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Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 00:21

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Anyway stop moaning, my Audi acceleration is about 11 seconds.......i had to give up my 7 second car due to this f*cking economy Roll eyes

i feel for you, i drove my meridian over christmas (11.3secs) it felt so slow i thought it was broke. atleast you should be getting much better economy and reliability?

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Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 00:24

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10% quicker on the clocks which will be over-reading due to having incorrect tyre profiles.

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Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 00:25

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Post #34

The whole loses power with ages thing is due to cars.
a) needing a service
b ) sensors and etc on there way out and over/underfuelling.
C) the decat isn't helping if the car hasn't had a remap.
If a car is newly serviced and the sensors in nick if it doesn't make nearly full power (most rollers are out anyway) then something more sinister is at work. Like bores worn a fair bit or something more mechanical

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Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 11:09

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Was that faster video really filmed on the flat? I've seen it before on Youtube and always wondered, the way it pulls in 3rd gear is basically faster than the top of 2nd. Always thought it seemed a bit too quick personally...

Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 11:17

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Just watched the video, didnt even realise there was a clicky LOL

Its a strange one, the p1 did seem to pull slower through the gears, im sure mine pulls faster through the gears than that.....the p1 almost seems muffled or somethin.

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Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 11:25

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Anths six kinda lagged like that with his old exhaust, after changing it was as it should be.

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I'm stopped for speeding on a daily basis but now the police are aware that I live for the 306 they dare not interfere, just sit in their cars quaking as I drive past.

Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 11:53

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All about the driver to.

Chris yours couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding LOL

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Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 12:46

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lewisdmz wrote:

I've always thought this, seen it a few times.

Also unless I have read it wrong, maybe do another test without mucking the gear change up? That could easily explain 0.5 of a second?

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Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 12:59

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Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 13:07

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All depends how its been looked after. My first 6 was a heap, was on 100k, thrashed from cold all its life probably, and was shockingly slow. My 106 gti felt like it had a turbo compared to that one haha. The 6 I have now has been well looked after, standard, full service history, on 103k, and is bloody quick! A mate has a Turbo 2000 Impreza, and the 6 is on par with that up to silly speeds. Another mate had an EP3 Type R and the 6 can keep with that no bother (can't get passed him, but can keep with him!)

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10000000000000000% the same with mine. Glad someone else has this experience Thumbs up

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Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 14:00

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I've got the same problem with the Rallye I just bought.

It doesnt go too bad but you really have to rev and work it hard to get it going where as my old one (the one in my avatar) is easily the quickest one I have driven out of quite a few. I dont think it's helped by the backbox or filter straight on the end of the Throttle body Tbh but I'd be surprised if changing these gets back what it feels like it's missing.

I'd say Mei has it spot on that the main differences between the engines in a lot of cases will be cam timing, it would explain it with my Rallye as the engine behave's and performs totally different to what I would expect from a good Rs engine. I still havnt had chance to check it but it's on the to do list.

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Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 14:28

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Cam timing as in being timed incorrectly???

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Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 15:09

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It's got a LOT of service history. It's been on this forum for 5 years IIRC and has been well cared for! The last belt change was done at C.G.Cars in Leicester, who seem to be quite reputable? So although I'll check it anyway, I doubt the cam timing is out... I think it's likely to be a lambda, if anything - especially if it's never been changed before; it's on 110k now and has had a decat fitted for some of that.

Could be that zedx19's car is a freakishly quick one, because I've looked at other GTI6 videos on YouTube and mine seems to be more inline with their speed...

Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 16:20

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I reckon its crappy spark plugs these do make a difference well atleast im my experience, choosing the best sort can be a nightmare, Champion are usually good but not what im running on now Whistle

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Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 16:33

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I reckon its crappy spark plugs these do make a difference well atleast im my experience, choosing the best sort can be a nightmare, Champion are usually good but not what im running on now Whistle

choosing the right ones is a right fooking doddle, NGK bog standards, twin electrode, none of this wasting money on platinum crap.

quite possible the inlet is retarded which would give less mid range torque, meaning slower to pull through the gears.

an engine that screams from 5.5 to 7k is great if you've got short close ratio gears, but you haven't got either particularly.

pop the belt covers off and pin the bottom end (if the pulley hasn't slipped....) and see how far out the cams are.

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Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 18:15

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Post #48

Yeah, just had a PM from Matt saying it could be the inlet timing - I'll check it out as soon as I can. Can the timing be adjusted on the cam gear or am I going to have to whip the belt off and start again?

Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 18:26

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Obviously "crap" spark plugs wont help but there's nothing wrong with a normal Ngk plug or similar as long as they are in good condition and have the correct gap.

With the cam timing I mean just a few degrees not teeth out or anything drastic, it's easily done especially when using substitute pins like drill bits or bolts in the pulleys, I've seen a few engines that run fine but dont time up perfect with proper pins.

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Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 18:37

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JoeyD wrote:

As Mei said pin the bottom pulley if it will line up and check to see if the 2 timing holes on the cam pullies line up and can be pinned. If they dont and you need to adjust it you can slacken the pulley (should be 3 10mm's on your ph1) to be able to line it back up without releasing the tension on the belt but after it's back as it should be you will want to completely retension the belt.

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Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 18:44

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