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atterz

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Hello again people!

I jumped in my car today to go to work and as i switched the key to ignition live the fuel pump primed as normal. It then continued to prime then on in short bursts and never stopped as it normally does. After opening the bonnet i can hear the relay clicking away in time with the pump priming and can feel pressure through the fuel hoses.

The car refuses to start and no fuel is injected (no fuel from exhaust).

Any ideas?

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owain wrote:
A GTI-6 with a good dashboard and the seats down can outsprint an E46 M3 in July.
Posted 17th Nov 2011 at 20:03
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owain

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Knackered battery not providing enough voltage to hold the relay on? Loose earth?

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Posted 17th Nov 2011 at 20:15
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atterz

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Was dark when i get in, ill have a look tommorrow! Am i right in thinking there is only one earth from the battery on a 6? And that is to the gearbox?

The Battery seams great, was turning the car over at normal speed for about 3 minutes in total.

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A GTI-6 with a good dashboard and the seats down can outsprint an E46 M3 in July.
Posted 17th Nov 2011 at 20:23
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welshpug!

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crank sensor sounds likely culprit

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Posted 17th Nov 2011 at 20:25
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There are a couple of earths iirc, there's a specific one that goes to the relay box on the right, which I'm pretty sure is where the fuel pump relay is. Could be a problem with that cable Yes

Worth checking your batter connections as well, mine looked fine but the securing bolt was loose, which meant one of the wires was slightly loose and caused all kinds of confusion.

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Posted 17th Nov 2011 at 20:26
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atterz

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Do crank sensors just fail like that? Literally perfect running yesterday followed by this before work?

Ill have a look around the earths and clean/tighten them all up. Was meaning to do this a while back!

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A GTI-6 with a good dashboard and the seats down can outsprint an E46 M3 in July.
Posted 17th Nov 2011 at 20:35
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adam b

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Yes they do.

Check the battery connections and the top of the box. Might be worth trying a different relay as well.

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Posted 17th Nov 2011 at 21:32
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atterz

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How much are crank sensors and Relays from Pug? So i can get on to them first thing?

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Posted 17th Nov 2011 at 21:40
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welshpug!

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crank sensor is cheap enough from SGF, relay is pug only afaik but they are £35+, so I'd get down't scrappy.

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Posted 17th Nov 2011 at 22:12
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Are they on XUDs?

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Posted 17th Nov 2011 at 22:32
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adam b

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Crank sensor is the same on the diesel

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Posted 17th Nov 2011 at 22:35
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Nah I meant the relay mate the mechanical diesels dont have a crank sensor do they?

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A GTI-6 with a good dashboard and the seats down can outsprint an E46 M3 in July.
Posted 17th Nov 2011 at 23:20
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welshpug!

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yes they do, rev counter.

many mechanical 406's have a double relay as they are partially ecu controlled.

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Posted 18th Nov 2011 at 09:41
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adam b

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Ours doesn't have the relay, but does have the crank sensor. In fact its a V6 crank sensor as we were checking it worked LOL

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Posted 18th Nov 2011 at 11:10
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atterz

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Balls ive just ordered one from Peugeot. As soon as i disconnected the crank sensor the fuel pump would prime but wouldnt pulse. What a pig to remove though. Arrives tommorrow so fingers crossed people!

An XUD one will be covered in black gunk and the 2 dtubs i have outside my house arent mine. Even if it did cross my mind to nick it.

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A GTI-6 with a good dashboard and the seats down can outsprint an E46 M3 in July.
Posted 18th Nov 2011 at 11:37
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welshpug!

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adam's one was just dusty!

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Posted 18th Nov 2011 at 11:54
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atterz

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Ill try mine again now then. Mine was also dusty!

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owain wrote:
A GTI-6 with a good dashboard and the seats down can outsprint an E46 M3 in July.
Posted 18th Nov 2011 at 11:55
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atterz

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Nope cleaning it didnt help.

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owain wrote:
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Posted 18th Nov 2011 at 12:53
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atterz

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And the winner again is Adam and Welshpug!

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Posted 20th Nov 2011 at 12:47
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adam b

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No probs Big grin

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Posted 21st Nov 2011 at 12:28
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