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JWP EFi

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Post #1
evening all, is it true that fitting standard xsara vts dampers onto a 306, they will lower it a little?

i would like my 306 to sit a bit lower but don't want something thats too hard, Edinburghs roads are a joke lol

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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 20:24
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Iv fitted some Xsara bilstein b4's on Saturday. Looks a little bit lower. Bit stiffer. Seems a good upgrade.
Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 20:25
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how much you pay for them?

what springs are you running?
Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 20:27
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Post #4
Hmm

Are we talking all round?


£100 for the rears.


The torsion bar has been lowered.


Eibach springs on front. Think there 25mm-30mm. Don't know. £200 for shocks and springs up front. From the for sales section.
Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 20:30
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Its more the springs that drop it as much as the dampers, fronts are a tad stiffer too.

Phillipm said they're about 140 lb, not sure what the eibach's or the gti6 springs are.

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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 20:34
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Surely dampers make no difference to height whatsoever?

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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 20:35
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Post #7
sorry mate i meant to say all round!

300 sounds very reasonable btw, i will be pricing some vts shockies up tomorrow, not sure what springs to go for, i know

that no matter how low i go i will compromise ride comfort, ideally would like a 40mm drop with above shock / spring combo
Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 20:35
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owain wrote:
Surely dampers make no difference to height whatsoever?


i have heard that xsara and 16v zx dampers are slightly lower even when fitted with std springs
Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 20:37
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But unless a damper was completely compressed or extended (which is should never be) then it's the spring that controls the height, not the damper. The damper only controls the rate of change of height.

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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 20:41
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Owain is correct.

Hence Bump and Rebound settings.

I was always taught that the damper serves the purpose of controlling the spring rate back to its original setting/place.

The spring takes the shocks and damper controls the bump/rebound.
Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 20:56
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That's reassuring, thought I was going mental for a minute there.

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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 22:38
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owain wrote:
That's reassuring, thought I was going mental for a minute there.


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Posted 31st Oct 2011 at 23:18
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Posted 1st Nov 2011 at 08:11
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The shock body length from spring pan to hub will also affect height but I have absolutely no idea if they are different between the GTI6 and VTS so what I said may be completely irrelevant!

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Posted 1st Nov 2011 at 10:21
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I haven't compared 306 to zx/xsara ones, but my Koni's had the spring pan 10mm lower.

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Posted 1st Nov 2011 at 11:29
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was going to say if the spring pan is lower or the damper between hub and bottom of spring pan is lower will surely drop the ride height down...

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Posted 1st Nov 2011 at 11:40
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True, but I'd consider that a difference in strut, not a different in damper. But yes.

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Posted 1st Nov 2011 at 11:42
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The spring cup on the vts front struts are supposedly 20mm lower down so with a gti6 spring fitted the front sits 20 mm lower.

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Posted 2nd Nov 2011 at 07:56
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Hmm

so 30mm lower on a koni with standard springs!

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Posted 2nd Nov 2011 at 08:47
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welshpug! wrote:
I haven't compared 306 to zx/xsara ones, but my Koni's had the spring pan 10mm lower.


welshpug! wrote:
Hmm

so 30mm lower on a koni with standard springs!


Got worried reading this seein as I have a pair of Xsara VTS front Konis to fit to mine sat in the garage,will be using my Eibach springs so if the above was true it would be way to lowThumbs down

So been out and measured them and the size from the lowest part of spring seat to bottom of strut(23.5CM) is the same on the Xsara Konis as it is on my standard Gti6 strutsThumbs up

Thank god! Big grin

Also the distance from the lowest part of spring seat to the mounting point for the ARB droplink is the same on both struts(8cm),if the spring seat was lower this distance would be different?

So has anyone compared Xsara standard struts to standard Gti6 ones?

Or is it just Xsara springs are lower as standard?

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Posted 3rd Nov 2011 at 09:46
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naah, I think xsara konis will be fine as IIRC theyre the same part number as the 306.

btw, you need to measure to the hub locating stop not the bottom of the strut.

phase 1 xsara and zx 16v springs are 25mm shorter and a tad stiffer as standard, I think phase 2 are the same length as the 306 but may still be stiffer.

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Posted 3rd Nov 2011 at 10:28
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zx/xsara springs vs 306 eibach



zx/xsara o.e damper vs 306 koni damper



I can't remember what the specific measurement were but the damper IIRC was the same length in total but the spring pan sat 10mm closer to the hub.


I never used the Eibachs on the ZX so don't know what the ride height would have been but it sat 10mm lower as it was.

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Posted 3rd Nov 2011 at 10:31
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You can see in your bottom pic the distance between the lowest part of spring seat and the mounting point for drop link is different,this distance is 8cm to centre of bolt hole on both my standard Gti6 strut and the Xsara Koni,strange.

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Posted 3rd Nov 2011 at 10:59
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Xsara Koni and standard Gti6 struts are exactly the same sizeYes

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Posted 16th Nov 2011 at 21:20
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did you measure spring pan to the locator?

what's the part number on yours?

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Posted 16th Nov 2011 at 22:44

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