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Thought i would add a little bit, ive been reading with interest as a few have mentioned the gym and cardio, also because my story may or may not interest some, and its friday night im skint sat in with nothing else to do lol.

Nothing beats a good diet and hard work, people are always looking for a shortcut with training. To give you a little idea, i used to compete in cycling - road racing, had done from a young age and was always an ectomorph, thin with little weight or muscle. I trained most days on the bike (no gym at this point) and cardio wise was very fit, could ride 100 miles in the hills or do a 60 mile road race no problem. However, i started to become a bit tired with it but mainly with the way i looked, i wanted more muscle so set about "building myself up". I quit racing but still road a bike at weekends as i enjoy it and have alot of bike mates, plus i still want cardio fitness.

Heres my effort after 2 years of gym while still riding a bike at weekends. On the left is what im like now, and on the right was me just before i stopped racing two years ago. Im not claiming to be arnie, but ive managed to bulk up from what i was to get lean muscle with little fat (im not going to do a shirtless pic im not that kinda person lol). Ive achieved this through eating clean, but most importantly eating the right amount of protein for my size, so the rough est' of 1 gram of protein per lb of lean body mass. Its obviously hard to get this much protein down your neck in one day, not to mention expense of meat! So i have supplemented it with whey protein, sticking with one before and one after training. Its also about eating little and often and at the right times. Along with omega fish oil and multi vits for general well being thats all i take. All i have in the gym is water, somtimes with abit of sugar in.


I still ride my bike, can still do 100 miles and do on average 50/60 miles every sunday, so would consider myself still cardio fit aswell. I have kind of reached what i set out to achieve, i still want to get abit bigger but not at the expense of my overall fitness.

Anyway my point is you can acheieve what you want with hard work without anyway "juiced" type product, which tbh you loose all benefits of when you stop taking anyway. Of course this is just IMO, and it depends what you want to achieve but id imagine the majority of general people want to bulk up abit with lean mucle and to be cardio fit, not a massive meat head with a fat belly, so it probably applys to most Wink I should mention i have nothing againt humble enegry drinks like a lucozade, SIS etc to help abit.

sorry about the essay lol, hope it doesnt come across as opionated just trying to be abit helpfull.


^^ good post

I have done weight training for the last 5 years or so on and off. More seriously in the last 2 years. Although not working as one at the moment, I am a qualified personal trainer / fitness instructor.

Whilst a lot of supplements may help, unless you are serious about bodybuilding just stick to the basic ones if you are going to take anything.

As said above, there's no need to be taking loads of juice me up supplements. Gaining lean mass is 80% about your diet, so concentrate on getting that right first. Adding a good whey protein is all you really need. As for the product mentioned at the start of the thread, probably works in the short term, but it looks to me like it's mainly creatine based, which will just fill you with water giving you the appearance of getting bigger, it's not lean mass, once you stop taking it, it will go again.

Get your diet right, get a good training program and add some protein that's all you need Thumbs up

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Posted 17th Sep 2011 at 09:44
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Post #52
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Paul, how tough are the gyms out there in Croydon...


All the franchised ones such as LA fitnass and esporta are fine, but there are a few I've looked at that are full of people on roids that you feel they're going to start on you if you look at them in the wrong way.

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Post #53
you lose most of it when you stop training or doing the work anyway, especially if you dont keep to a good diet
but it comes back very fast and easy after though.

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Posted 25th Sep 2011 at 18:27
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Posted 25th Sep 2011 at 20:51
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3 weeks in and my body is looking sexier than ever. if i could suck my own knob, i would so be getting laid tonight..!
Posted 26th Sep 2011 at 16:11
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Bit gay mate!

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Posted 26th Sep 2011 at 16:15
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Posted 26th Sep 2011 at 16:23
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Post #59
ran out of NO Xplode last week.

Jack3d has just come through the post... 2 scoops followed by intense shoulders and core...will let you boys know how it goes...
Posted 19th Oct 2011 at 15:19
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Hemo Rage Black Ultra is good, cant sleep on the shit though!

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Posted 19th Oct 2011 at 15:22
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ahh allow suggesting ANOTHER one...ive already got Animal M-Stak on the waiting list...
Posted 19th Oct 2011 at 15:27
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Thoughts on xlpode?

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Posted 19th Oct 2011 at 15:30
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Someone in my work used xplode before hemo black ultra and apparently its f*ck all compared to it LOL
About £23-£25 a pot, only one scoop is needed though

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Posted 19th Oct 2011 at 15:32
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Is jack3d any better then superpump max?
Posted 19th Oct 2011 at 15:53
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Post #65
NO Xplode was very good. it did exactly what it said it would. focus, strength & pump. (taste decent too)1-3 scoops suggested. 1 did nothing. i was taking 2.

only negatives, was 1, the buzz ran out within 45 mins of starting a workout i felt.
2, only worked if taken on the suggested 3 hr empty stomach, 3, body immunity after about 3 weeks.

will have a comparable review after trying the Jack3d tonigth.
Posted 19th Oct 2011 at 16:04
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Have started exercising myself in the past 5 weeks - first time in my life i have regularly gone out for runs. Been for quite a few now.

Im about 5ft10, and stocky....but also carrying a gut and some impressive love handles/moobs LOL

Im not hugely fat, i would say portly at this point.

6 months ago i was about 90kg. Then i slimmed to about 86kg or there abouts just by stopping eating at service station food (sandwiches/crisps+choccy bar+drinks etc) I do alot of driving so i used to just grab lunch on the go.

Now i take packed lunch everyday which just a sandwich and a drink. Sometimes fruit, sometimes a salad but i cant stick to that stuff permanently. So yeah slimmed to 86kg give or take.

Then 5 weeks ago started running. I have already started to see the benefits. As of today i weigh in at 83.3kg - maybe there is something to this exercise lark after all?

I am going to keep going, and got a voucher for fitness first gym (10 visits for £10 found on groupon) so im going to get on that too and try and lose some more.

I want to get down to about 75kgish i think.

My main problem is im asthmatic, and running has been particularly hard....its not that im feeling tired when i get half way thru, its that i really just cant breathe and quickly becomes painful trying to.

Has anyone got any advice on how to make that easier? I honestly didnt notice a problem with the asthma untill like my 3rd or 4th run. Now the air is colder it affects me more.

But im finding it hard to push myself when i really cant get the air into my lungs!
I dont smoke either but its pretty tough going.

Glad i started though, and i will continue Smile

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Posted 19th Oct 2011 at 16:07
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^ i am not a runner by all means but have started doing some running like 30 minute programs on treadmill at gym twice a week. i find the treadmill alot easier that the outdoors. the cold air outside makes me out of of breath quicker whereas in gym i can breath fine and can do 30 mins.

def do the weight loss treadmill program. it should have settings where you walk, jog, sprint, in a repetitive cycle for 30 mins. that allows you resting periods and works best to burn fat

and stop eating chocolates and crisps you fat f*ck
Posted 19th Oct 2011 at 16:17
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and stop eating chocolates and crisps you fat f*ck


[quote=''honestly3k'']just by stopping eating at service station food (sandwiches/crisps+choccy bar+drinks etc)


Just as soon as you learn to read sonny jim Thumbs up LOL

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Posted 19th Oct 2011 at 16:21
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sorry for trying to help E. Honda
Posted 19th Oct 2011 at 16:42
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I'm 24 6 foot and 94.4kg. Just under 15 stone. When I first started training a few years ago I weighed 11 stone! I really enjoy weight training and it's good for socialising and banter but hate cardio.

I'v tried many a supplement but I really think the important bit is a good clean varied diet. It's hard and bloody expensive if you do it properly (£11 fillet steak from sainsburys anyone?) but its rewarding and the benefits are great. I'm not one for counting calories and protein and fat etc but a good ratio is 60 % carbs 30% protein and 10% fat.

I eat plenty of veg (asparagus, broccoli and carrots are my fav) good carbs ( porridge, rice, pasta potatoes) and decent protein ( steak, chicken, turkey, eggs, fish). I'm a bloke and cooking and washing up is shit but I get on with it. If you want to train/get fit/get big you have to do this. I also take multi vitamins and cod liver oil.

Running is the best for losing the beer gut but if your like me and hate tread mills and really can't be arsed to run on the road take up a rugby, football or boxing. I do Mauy Thai and the fitness part is great. Your working your core, building strength with punching and kicking, building self confidence and again importantly the banter is good. The more you enjoy training the more your likely to stick with.

I used to pay £15 a month for gym membership in Falmouth, Cornwall but now I'm in leamington spa I'm at Nuffield and it's £56 a month. Is way to much but it's clean, good equipment and the fanny is quality. Rough gyms are good as most gear heads are in them and normal have good strict training. You can learn a lot. Expensive gyms are good for ripping guys with brand new trainers, ipods strapped to there arms and the worst form doing more harm then good.
You must train legs! Squats, dead lifts and benching are your big three. Do them and then do your bicep curls for the ladies Smile

Iv tried plenty of supplements but at the min I'm using a scoop of creatine in the morning with my pineapple juice. Super pump MAX before training and a shake 20 mins after with some BCAA tablets.

It works.

Spending money on other 'test' boosters there are legal are a bit pointless. The worst I used were Animal 'night paks' which I think were like £60 and ten tablets at bedtime lasting a month. They were crap and probably just gave my liver a pounding. It's more effective to do a intramuscula cycle of deca and sus for £70 for ten weeks. But if your going to that then it's about weighing up the pro's and cons.

In my opinion weight training is massively 'in your head'. Dont train alone. Get a mate to spot you and push each other. You'll get gains.

I'm going to run out of protein soon. Any one got any ideas for a decent whey for building mass? It's winter... Time to bulk
Posted 19th Oct 2011 at 23:22
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thought i would give an quick first impressions on jack3d for the 0.5% of people the might be interested.

that shit be bangin b....

It was intense. took 1 scoop, (1 scp recommended for first 3 times, then 1-3 scoop). Anyway took 1 scp, walked to gym, 30 mins later, i was buzzing. was walking up and down the gym like a crackhead. pumping out anything and everything.

was doing super sets between super sets cos i couldnt stop moving and didnt want to stop.

only time i stopped was to recover. i was there for exactly one hr and i geniuenly did as much if not more than i would have done in a 1.5hrs+ session. very intense supplement. and for £20 for approx 45 scoops, thats the price of 50p for an intense work out...

didnt really get any strength gains from Jack3d which i got from NO Xplode, but i did get extremely better focus this. also i did i think experience the 'crash' afterwards. got home and was exhausted, just lay on my arse watching the football, probably due to lack for food though.
Posted 20th Oct 2011 at 10:21
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Good stuff my little guinea pig! Keep up the good work LOL

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Posted 20th Oct 2011 at 11:05
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main problem is im asthmatic, and running has been particularly hard....its not that im feeling tired when i get half way thru, its that i really just cant breathe and quickly becomes painful trying to.

Has anyone got any advice on how to make that easier? I honestly didnt notice a problem with the asthma untill like my 3rd or 4th run. Now the air is colder it affects me more.

But im finding it hard to push myself when i really cant get the air into my lungs!
I dont smoke either but its pretty tough going.

Glad i started though, and i will continue Smile


I'm asthmatic too and exercise is no problemo, make sure your asthma is controlled properly and you'll be away, I use a steroid inhaler twice daily as a preventer which is bang on for day to day stuff like weights, cycling etc, but for more intense cardio such as football, running etc i have a reliever which I have just before and it opens your lungs right up, get to your gp or local asthma nurse and discuss your options Wink
Posted 20th Oct 2011 at 16:25
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main problem is im asthmatic, and running has been particularly hard....its not that im feeling tired when i get half way thru, its that i really just cant breathe and quickly becomes painful trying to.

Has anyone got any advice on how to make that easier? I honestly didnt notice a problem with the asthma untill like my 3rd or 4th run. Now the air is colder it affects me more.

But im finding it hard to push myself when i really cant get the air into my lungs!
I dont smoke either but its pretty tough going.

Glad i started though, and i will continue Smile


I'm asthmatic too and exercise is no problemo, make sure your asthma is controlled properly and you'll be away, I use a steroid inhaler twice daily as a preventer which is bang on for day to day stuff like weights, cycling etc, but for more intense cardio such as football, running etc i have a reliever which I have just before and it opens your lungs right up, get to your gp or local asthma nurse and discuss your options Wink


Cheers, actually went for an asthma review with the nurse 2 weeks back LOL

Ive never been very good at getting into a routine with the steroid inhaler but im now trying to get into the habit of using it once in the morning and once in the evening everyday.

Havent noticed it really helping thus far but again, like usual i miss the odd dose.

Supposed to take a while to have a good effect on the system so hopefully i will notice it soon! Thumbs up

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