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Author Subject: XU7JP4 - any reason these can't perform as well with forced
ruan

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Obviously there's a massive amount of info about using the SC kit - or even a turbocharger on an 10J4RS lump, never really heard much about doing it to the XU7 lumps? I'd have said* that they have a lot of advantages over the RS lump - lighter weight - being ally block, shorter stroke - more revvy, RS head fits on (I think... At least be made to flow as well...). I'm not well versed with the construction of these blocks, are they steel liner or literally an entire cast block with ally walls?! If so - can they not put up with quite the temperatures and pressures the XU10 can cope with? Is there a selection of forged items for these lumps - or even a company who'd make some if you asked nicely?

Naturally you'll lose a few HP from the lack of displacement - no replacement for displacement and all that, but with the advantages of the shorter stroke, and reducing weight over the front end, you can surely make that up with the better handling etc? Obviously this will be a top end engine, shorter stroke reducing torque, but with forced induction of some description, you can surely get a large amount of the mid range back with a well set up head and good mapping?

*Disclaimer: I'm a dieselhead at heart, I know a bit about petrols, but a lot of my theory comes from diesel... If I'm wrong, please let me know.
Posted 6th Sep 2011 at 19:26
buzzbrightyear

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Why not just do it to the xu104jrs engine instead of p*ssing about with the small engine?
Once you've had a powerful petrol like the s/c gti6 or anything else that's a bit Lary you will soon forget about the diesels.

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Posted 6th Sep 2011 at 19:39
ruan

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Heh, knew that was coming...

Why not have a more revvy engine, that will theoretically handle better due to less weight over the nose...
Posted 6th Sep 2011 at 19:41
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the manifold will fit the head but you'd need a custom bracket for the charger, its an alloy block steel liner engine, 11mm shorter block.

r and rs heads will fit

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Posted 6th Sep 2011 at 19:45
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It would be nice to see somthing different, I love my diesels too but can't beat petrol power I don't think.

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Posted 6th Sep 2011 at 19:51
ruan

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So really, no reason not (other than the bracket, but that is inevitable)...

Is it feasible to put the 1AP.10 ECU on the XU7 and have it remapped? Or would it simply be better to go down the standalone route?

I've had a lot of fun with diesels don't get me wrong, but now I'm at the point where unless I spend silly, silly amounts of money on seriously uprated parts (forged rods + pistons, seriously modifying precombustion chambers, uprated head studs, solid copper gaskets - none of which is made for Diesels and no one knows anything about...) I'm not going to be able to make any more power without going down the Direct Injection route, which is a whole bunch of cost on it's own... So... Give this a go I suppose...
Posted 6th Sep 2011 at 19:57
smegal

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I like how you seem to be seeing the light when it comes to petrol.

It would be interesting to see a forced induction XU7. Dixon's project shows what gains can be had from these NA.

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Posted 6th Sep 2011 at 20:46
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I think some of the peugeots past wrc cars (206/307) used turbo engines based on the xu7.

In all seriousness get it done, no-one seems to be able to see past rotrex'd gti6s of late.

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Posted 6th Sep 2011 at 21:02
welshpug!

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i remember sandy commenting that piston speeds in the XU7 were lower at the same RPM as the larger pug engines due to its geometry, they do rev nicely it seems.

pug did use the XU7 block as a base for the 206 WRC engine, with 85mm liners and an 88mm crank which is pretty close to what the EW10 ended up as though without separate wet liners.

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Posted 6th Sep 2011 at 21:20
ruan

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smegal wrote:
I like how you seem to be seeing the light when it comes to petrol.

It would be interesting to see a forced induction XU7. Dixon's project shows what gains can be had from these NA.


Oh don't worry, I'm still a "Dieselhead" at the end of the day, I just don't require to tell people how awesome they are every 30 seconds and enjoy a highly strung Petrol as much as the next man...

Only thing I'm concerned about is whether these blocks are going to like the temperatures and whether the main bearings are going to need reinforcing... Theoretically the XU7 should be the perfect match for a Rotrex kit else.

Has anyone got a picture of an XU7 with the head off at all?
Posted 6th Sep 2011 at 22:58

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