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Author Subject: Intermittent idle fail/stutter
karoshi

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Post #1
So I bought a car that needed a head rebuild, had that done, added PeterT cams, (stg 2 inlet and 0.5 exhaust and timing advanced) had the bores honed and reringed.

From the start it just didn't want to idle at all. Peter was
surprised it didn't as others had done so with no problems.
All sensors checked and idle stepper cleaned.
After driving it for a while we put the timing back to standard and that improved things a little but not enough to trust lending the car to mug punters. Although the standard ecu had learnt enough to run the car most of the time I pinned my hopes on an aftermarket ecu.

After saving up I bought a predator plug and play ecu from the UK and had someone install it but had no joy with that either. Similar symptoms shone through the two different management systems. These are the ones that make it hard to diagnose.
A ) runs perfectly 90% of the time, pulls really hard.
B ) runs like the stepper motor is shagged the other 10%.
C ) has stutters that don't correlate to any rev/load/orientation
parameters.
The one time it does do it's stalling trick more often is if the car is hot, I shut down and go to the shops, and when I come back it's not able to idle, so a 10-15 min cooldown.

The mechanic can't get the fault to rear it's head to try and find it and I have lost ten years off my life expectancy worrying about it....

So after reading stalling articles on this forum for the last year or so the only one I can find that sounds the same was a chap called Tomtom? that had to replace the loom to get rid of his stalling problems.

Another solution might be to have traditional standalone management installed that has it's own loom?

Could it be anything else?

When she's good she's great but when she's cranky I could just cry. Help me save this beautiful but volatile relationship!

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Posted 4th Jul 2011 at 13:40
vts_tibi

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Post #2
Big grin

read my thread here:

clicky

I guess we have EXACTLY the same problem!

I would say there'sno problem with the ECU, nor the wiring loom, but something should be modified around the main realy to stop this annoying fault!

This doesn't happen when a standalone ECU is installed with it's own loom, as that part is completely left out (or at least I think it is)

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Posted 4th Jul 2011 at 12:23
karoshi

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Post #3
Bit different from what I can gather.
You have aftermarket problems only and deteriorating idle whereas I have standard and aftermarket problems and on/off idle issues.

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Posted 4th Jul 2011 at 13:10
karoshi

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Post #4
It does, however, appear we both have a more tricky than usual idle issue....

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Posted 4th Jul 2011 at 17:47
vts_tibi

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Post #5
well...

I have a PeterT stg.1 inlet cam, and with the original ECU the idle was intermittent. Once it was okay, but next time I depressed the clutch the engine stalled.

Then I installed a standalone ECU, and we never really managed to solve the idle problems, so the previous mapper used ignition based idle correction. But that's not the good solution for this!

So now I'm back on stepper idle control and the problem is back again!

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VTS
best 60' : 2.272
best 1/8 ET : 9.375 @ 74.42mph
best 1/4 ET: 14.603 @ 97.047mph

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Posted 4th Jul 2011 at 22:42
karoshi

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Post #6
Hmmm... Not so different after all.

I don't think it's the cams though, I was really close to having them changed out when the mechanic convinced me that if the problem was the cams then it wouldn't idle at all, and it runs so well most of the time.

Is ignition idle correction how other standalones work?
Is there such thing as an aftermarket stepper motor?

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Posted 5th Jul 2011 at 02:19
vts_tibi

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Post #7
no, not the cams.. as you said it would never idle correctly...

ignition based idle correction works, but it could be pain in the ass

you have to hold the throttle for a few secs until the ECU compensates the igntion after the engine is started

when it's hot the idle will be rough

and even with the finest setting it will shake the chassis on idle...

so I hate it!


now it's lot smoother, I only have to solve this bloody stepper issue!

will dig myself into wiring diagrams, and will see what I find!

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VTS
best 60' : 2.272
best 1/8 ET : 9.375 @ 74.42mph
best 1/4 ET: 14.603 @ 97.047mph

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Posted 5th Jul 2011 at 12:51
karoshi

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Post #8
http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=107599&page=1

Sorry, can't clicky on my iPhone....

Tom Tom go's thread on an intermittent idle fault.
This is worth looking into!
Any other ideas?

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Bill
Posted 5th Jul 2011 at 18:23
karoshi

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Post #9
Update. Idle issues solved.
Stepper motor was the culprit, not the cams.

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Bill
Posted 17th Jul 2012 at 11:30

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