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Subject: Gearbox/clutch problem

mattyrallye

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Having a problem with my gear selection. Sad

The car is running a 3 year old valeo pressure plate that has done minimal milage.

The car was working fine all morning and then i suddenly started to struggle to get 1st and 2nd gear. I then found i could not get reverse without it grinding and crunching something cronic.
Removed the GE quickshift.

Then i found 1st was still hard and i couldnt get 5th 6th or reverse.

However 3rd and 4th work fine. Crazy

Two questions

Does this sound like a clutch issue?

Or a linkage issue?

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Posted 23rd Jun 2011 at 18:39

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daveyboy

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mattyrallye wrote:

Having a problem with my gear selection. Sad

Two questions

Does this sound like a clutch issue?

Or a linkage issue?

Sounds like the clutch is'nt fully disengaging, silly question but you have'nt got a thick floormat under the pedal or anything like that have you?

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Posted 23rd Jun 2011 at 20:15

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mattyrallye

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No its stripped so i dont have carpet, the clutch cable is really smooth too.

If that was the case with the clutch still engaged how comes i can select 3rd and 4th on the move but not 5th and 6th? Unsure

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Posted 23rd Jun 2011 at 20:40

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willygti

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What happens if you turn the car off and then try getting it in and out of 1st and reverse?

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Posted 23rd Jun 2011 at 20:44

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mattyrallye

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I can get it in reverse when the car is switched off. 1st is ok when the car is off, both require a little more force than a normal gearbox though. Not sure about 5th/6th to be honest.

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Posted 23rd Jun 2011 at 21:03

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mattyrallye

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anyone got any other thoughts?

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Posted 24th Jun 2011 at 00:09

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froggy0231

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i would change the clutch deffo as its a pull type clutch designed by valeo and are known for failing to disengage

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Posted 30th Jun 2011 at 01:12

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mattyrallye

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Post #8

Revived thread.

In short it was the pressure plate rivet.

Now i have a massive issue getting the gearbox back on. Tried it once and f*cked the release bearing, so bye bye brand new clutch and hello another...

i have done a search and read wellys extensive guide, but didnt understand what he meant by this bit:

"Use the same method when putting the box back on, lift the rear up on to a axle stand, and jack the front up and slide forward..

Again watch the rad and aircon pipes..."

I dont fully understand what he means. I cant drop the engine enough (solid mounts) so is it best to take out the gearbox mount pin? if so where do i get the tool to do this?

Matt

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Posted 3rd Jul 2011 at 22:09

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bigbadbowen

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Where are you having problems putting it back in ?

I find you have to put them in diff first then rotate it into place ?

Posted 3rd Jul 2011 at 22:36

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mattyrallye

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everywhere! lol

Ok will try that, the last time we put it in we f*cked the bearing because i think we hung the whole gearbox on it. How can i avoid this?

Also what tool do i need to take out the pin?

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Posted 3rd Jul 2011 at 23:28

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Firstly, remove the mount pole from the top of the gearbox, remove the speedo housing from the side of the diff and lower the engine a tiny bit.

You need to line it up, then get someone to hold it from above, then get on your back over the passenger side of the car and lift/push the box on from underneath, a wiggle is also required. Tell the person up the top that you'll do the moving bit, they just support it.

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Posted 3rd Jul 2011 at 23:41

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bigbadbowen

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Its difficult to explain just a real pain in the arse ! You must have the clutch arm off yeah ?

You need to slide the box in diff first the rotate as I have said someone needs to support from above while you line it all up - it will be a massive pain to get it to locate properly through the clutch and you need to make sure the bearing is at the correct position along with the fork in the box so it slips behind the bearing when you get the box on.

It may take a while to sort and need a few of you - prepare for a shit load of pain and suffering Unsure

Posted 4th Jul 2011 at 00:19

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mattyrallye

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yeh that sounds good, i just dont know what i need to take the gearbox pin out with!
And i dont want to put too much wight on the bearing again! Might lash some rope over the strutbrace. Smile

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Posted 4th Jul 2011 at 00:42

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if its the bolt for gearbox mount i use one of these clicky just check the size

Posted 4th Jul 2011 at 00:56

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mattyrallye wrote:

yeh that sounds good, i just dont know what i need to take the gearbox pin out with!
And i dont want to put too much wight on the bearing again! Might lash some rope over the strutbrace. Smile

Not sure what you mean by gear box pin ???????

Do you mean the gearbox mounting shaft ? ie the bit that goes through the rubber mount at the top of the box ? If so some big feck off mole grips or a modified long socket ?

Posted 4th Jul 2011 at 01:52

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Remove the rear engine mount and allow the engine to come down lower as well obviously you will need to support the engine with a trolley jack before the engine mount is removed Wink

Posted 4th Jul 2011 at 01:56

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mattyrallye

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I will try all the above! thanks you have helped loads. You at pugfest?

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Posted 4th Jul 2011 at 02:16

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May well go this year never been before Unsure

Posted 4th Jul 2011 at 02:20

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mattyrallye wrote:

I will try all the above! thanks you have helped loads. You at pugfest?

Keep me posted Matt and if your doing it, what time and Il offer my services. In a non sexual way though... LOL

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Posted 4th Jul 2011 at 02:24

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mattyrallye

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ok mate. i will try and get the clutch tomorrow. I will give you ring mate and maybe if you could pop up (will trow you a beer or 2 for sure mate!) Recon we will be doing it around 6 ish?

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Posted 4th Jul 2011 at 02:57

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Can prob be around then. Maybe a touch later for me but not much. Smile

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Posted 4th Jul 2011 at 03:06

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mattyrallye wrote:

ok mate. i will try and get the clutch tomorrow. I will give you ring mate and maybe if you could pop up (will trow you a beer or 2 for sure mate!) Recon we will be doing it around 6 ish?

ill be back from cornwall tomorrow. Can i come and watch LOL

ill offer some assistance too.

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Posted 4th Jul 2011 at 03:12

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Hi Matt,

I see you'll be having a go at getting that clutch working then! It's a right fiddily bas**rd to do, isn't it? Good luck though mate, with a few of the guys help on here I'm sure it'll be running in no time Smile

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Posted 4th Jul 2011 at 05:46

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mattyrallye

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720puggti wrote:

You know where I am if you need me though.

Thanks buddy, i was going to give you a call this morning but you beat me too it. I will give it one last go. If i get no joy you may get a call. Thanks for all your help though bud.

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Posted 4th Jul 2011 at 13:29

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