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Author Subject: Diagnostic help please. Failure to start
dangti6

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Location: Taunton, Somerset

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Post #1
I picked a 6 up over the weekend that doesn't run. It is a low miler and in good nick, so would be a shame to break it.

Rather than rip it all apart and find out it was an easy fix, I am after some common faults and pointers for what to try, so I can at least diagnose the fault.

The car fails to start, the previous owner thinks its the cambelt, but thats in one piece so I can only imagine it has slipped if anything.

He has checked the coil packs IIRC, so makes me wonder if the symptoms were cambelt failure.

He didn't mention how or when the problem happened, so may even be it just didn't start one day.

It just turns over but won't fire. If bumped it makes a 'bump' sound and flies fowards, but won't kick into life.

I have another full GTi6 I also got the same weekend LOL , and the engine from another 6, so can swap over most things to try and get to the bottom of it.

Where would people start?

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  • Posted 24th May 2011 at 17:31
    welshpug!

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    Post #2
    check the timing, also check the bottom pulley.

    then check the fuses and inertia switch.

    see if has spark + fuel etc.

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    Posted 24th May 2011 at 17:46
    adam b

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    Post #3
    Immobiliser?
    Does the fuel pump prime?
    The relay behind the battery box?
    Plugs out and see there are clues
    Crank sensor

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    Posted 24th May 2011 at 17:52
    dangti6

    aka JKshooter

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    Post #4
    welshpug! wrote:
    check the timing, also check the bottom pulley.

    then check the fuses and inertia switch.

    see if has spark + fuel etc.


    Inertia switch?! Not sure if thats the same, but I haven't given the fuel cut off switch a thought.

    It has ¾ of a tank, so it has plenty of go go juice in the tank.

    Fuses, good shout!
    I have never taken an engine apart, so I am not too clued up on the best ways to check these things.

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  • Posted 24th May 2011 at 18:17
    dangti6

    aka JKshooter

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    Post #5
    adam b wrote:
    Immobiliser?
    Does the fuel pump prime?
    The relay behind the battery box?
    Plugs out and see there are clues
    Crank sensor


    Whats the best way to check the immobiliser?

    Fuel pump, didn't think about that either LOL
    It should prime on turn of the ignition shouldn't it?

    I will take the plugs out and check the colour/condition of them and see if anything obvious occurs.

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  • Posted 24th May 2011 at 18:19
    welshpug!

    Capt Pedantic

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    Post #6
    inertia switch is a fuel cutoff on these, how to check immobiliser? see if it goes brum? Razz

    they dont always prime.

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    Posted 24th May 2011 at 18:37
    dangti6

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    Post #7
    I will keep turning it over hoping the bugger will prime, if not, I will take the pump from the other one that I know works and see if it makes a difference.

    I have immobiliser units from another I broke, but not sure if I would need to fit them all to get it to be effective

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  • Posted 24th May 2011 at 18:55
    welshpug!

    Capt Pedantic

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    Post #8
    no need to swap the pump, just check to see if it has power.

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    Posted 24th May 2011 at 19:57
    cwspellowe

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    Post #9
    Does it sound like it's trying to fire, like a splut splut splut, or is it a dry cranking noise?

    Take the fuel feed pipe off the fuel rail and turn it over. If fuel comes out the pump's fine. If not, you're looking at a blocked line, dead pump, inertia switch triggered etc

    Then take coil packs off and test them for spark one at a time. If you have spark, great. If not, check you have power to them. Also try heating the spark plugs in case they're flooded. Crank the engine over with the injectors disconnected to empty out any fuel that might be sitting in the cylinders.

    Finally run a compression test on the cylinders. If there's a lack of compression it could be a blown head gasket but I have a feeling that's not the issue from what you've said.

    If they all work and you have fuel, the only thing that could be stopping it from firing would be timing. Could be something simple like the TDC sensor if there's no spark or it could be a slipped belt/pulley.

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    Posted 24th May 2011 at 22:28
    dangti6

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    Post #10
    Well she has fuel, she has spark etc.

    Took the cam cover off, and there is a rather large slither of cambelt hanging off. Pushed down between the pulleys and its slacker than Jordan's underarm.

    The cambelt and pulleys,waterpump etc were only changed in June last year. If I was local to where it was done I would contact them about a parts failure. A part has obviously failed in 11 months, and should usually be covered under a parts warranty?

    I am 4h30mins away from the garage, thats the only issue otherwise I would try for a claim.

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  • Posted 26th May 2011 at 15:55

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