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rubba dubz

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Post #26
i dont see the point in spending a ton of money on putting a V-TEC engine in the 6, your much better off camming it with throttle bodies or just supercharging her and if a kick is what your looking for these 2 options are more than enough!!! or buy a civic EK9 Smile
Posted 28th Oct 2009 at 22:36
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Post #27
sure i've seen a 309 with a s2000 engine

EDIT: yeah was "kamracing's"



Posted 28th Oct 2009 at 23:00
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^^^That was done by us.
Posted 1st Nov 2009 at 19:31
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had a funny feelin when reading your comments above that it might have been you LOL
Posted 1st Nov 2009 at 19:32
mark.evs

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Sorry to bring up an old thread but has anyone done the conversion since 2009? the thing is, i was just looking into a bit for a bit more poke for my track 6 (on a budget mind so i cant afford a s/c) and my mate has just put his '06 EP3 type R sideways through a post and the insurance said he can buy it back cheap. the shell is w**ked but the rest of it might make for a bit of a power upgrade, just looking to see if i can get more pics and info. The spoox phase 1 has the early engine (on the wrong side) so it would be different to that.

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Posted 5th Sep 2012 at 15:17
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If what you're looking for is a cheap and easy way to put a CTR engine into a 306, then the answer is there isn't one, unless you can do all the welding and fabrication yourself. Sandy is well known for the work he does, so for him to say it's a ball ache, it's a ball ache!

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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 00:57
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Post #32
I've been studying this swap for a long time, and in my opinion, is one of the best joint venture possible.
The k20 engine is lighter than a j4rs and a similar position on the engine bay.

Engine mounts are easy to fabricate. You don't need to use so much mounts as the original setup on the ep3.

The main problem are the driveshafts, because they have to be fabricated.


Problems with police...hummm...if i were you, i wouldn't risk it!

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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 01:50
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306 Rxs wrote:
I've been studying this swap for a long time, and in my opinion, is one of the best joint venture possible.
The k20 engine is lighter than a j4rs and a similar position on the engine bay.

Engine mounts are easy to fabricate. You don't need to use so much mounts as the original setup on the ep3.

The main problem are the driveshafts, because they have to be fabricated.


Problems with police...hummm...if i were you, i wouldn't risk it!


It's a pure track car, it wont be used on the road. And i might have a few contacts for driveshafts. i'd have to get it all in place and measure them up tho. The car only has half a dash and basic electrics so i'd take the full loom from the civic too.

I'd also keep it FWD as that RWD 309 looks ALOT of work.

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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 12:16
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I have done the conversion in my mk2 escort with the S2000 engine. You best bet is to drop the engine box and shafts in and see how things look. To be hoenst if your asking on here then maybe you wouldnt have the experince to undertake it. It will take a a huge amount of time and skill to get the right.
With the mk2 i removed the manifolds, cut the transmission tunnel out and offered the engine up.
I had to make engine and gearbox mounts, prop, exhaust, lower front xmember, notch sump the list goes on, and to be honest it will be easier in RWD. If i was you i would ditch the inlet side of things and go for bodies on management.
Good luck




Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 12:46
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Post #35
Thats nice.
Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 12:49
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I'm not expecting it to be straight forward, was just seeing if its been done yet. That Escort looks really clean.

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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 12:59
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Post #37
Being a track car only, you have most of the problems solved... Wink

Swap it all from the civic.
The transmissions can easily stay aligned with the original hubs, só there's no problem with that.

If you have conditions to do the engine mounts at home or with some friends help, you have all the conditions to start the project.

Gearbox linkage are cable one's...you can use the system from the civic, including the inside shifter.

Mounting a rwd layout requires too much effort compared to the fwd k20 option.

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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 13:00
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It took me about 5 years on and off to build it. the shell came form the scrappy but was mint, the shell alone took me the most time as its ful group 4 spec which is an awfull lot of work on an escort then its all the rally parts but its been well worth it, fitted corsa power steering too
Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 13:01
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S2000 going in the buggy next I think.

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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 13:03
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I have the following things to say.

A) i would much rathervhave 170 hp in a proper power band than 190 odd all the way at some silly rpm.

Cool if i wanted more na power i dont see why you just would rip off mattys reliable 2.1 setup with tbs and cams.
I think his makes 190 at wheels Shock

C) theres plenty of things you can do with our engines that will give a similar effect
In many respects it would be way cheapee to just have a proper na engine build done on your engine. But you could even fit some decent cams and a decat and have 190hp after you have sorted the pistons out with bigger cutouts.

Basically. I dont understand why you would this

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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 13:18
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because it's different? Razz

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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 13:23
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I suppose... Guess i just like to keepit in house

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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 13:28
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eliotrw wrote:
I have the following things to say.

A) i would much rathervhave 170 hp in a proper power band than 190 odd all the way at some silly rpm.

Cool if i wanted more na power i dont see why you just would rip off mattys reliable 2.1 setup with tbs and cams.
I think his makes 190 at wheels Shock

C) theres plenty of things you can do with our engines that will give a similar effect
In many respects it would be way cheapee to just have a proper na engine build done on your engine. But you could even fit some decent cams and a decat and have 190hp after you have sorted the pistons out with bigger cutouts.

Basically. I dont understand why you would this


This is my dilema! I have a spare head for mine (non tapper), the one on the car is a tapper. I was gonna get some cams and go that route, I know without a s/c or turbo the gti lump is only good for about 200bhp. Then this civic comes about and starting power is 197bhp. so where do i go?Dunno

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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 14:21
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Things is though that 197hp is achieved with basically no more torque than a 6. A 6 engine with similar power would be more flexible imo.

What about a v6? 210hp

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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 14:37
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eliotrw wrote:
Things is though that 197hp is achieved with basically no more torque than a 6. A 6 engine with similar power would be more flexible imo. Power would be lowee down etc what about a v6? 210hp

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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 14:42
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The vtec is a superior engine, its just the work involved making it happen in a 306, once its in there and running it would be mega
Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 14:52
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i have a 406 v6 coupe. it is too heavy for the car. i can't imagine that in a 306, i think it would be very strange. i am happy to be proved wrong though. i think the 406 v6 could do with being rwd to help out a little bit. don't get me wrong it goes like stink and wipes the floor with my 6 in standard form but it's still a dirty heavy engine

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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 14:55
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eliotrw wrote:
Things is though that 197hp is achieved with basically no more torque than a 6. A 6 engine with similar power would be more flexible imo. Power would be lowee down etc what about a v6? 210hp

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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 14:56
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did that vtec lump come as transverse? or both? has sandy lowered for COG reason?

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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 14:56
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rikky wrote:
i have a 406 v6 coupe. it is too heavy for the car. i can't imagine that in a 306, i think it would be very strange. i am happy to be proved wrong though. i think the 406 v6 could do with being rwd to help out a little bit. don't get me wrong it goes like stink and wipes the floor with my 6 in standard form but it's still a dirty heavy engine

Its only 25kg more iirc? Granted that weight is forward a bit but you will lose ac any way.
A 406 coupe is slower than a 6 though surely? Thoughts their 0-60 is like 7.9?
Or is it just the speed when rolling you mean?

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