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cjm_harris

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Post #176


Whats up with your clocks? LOL

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Posted 28th Sep 2010 at 13:45
pdd144c

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Post #177
Fuse board supplies everything in the car, switches are for ignition, fuel pump, rain light, headed screen and fan. Dampers are 205 Group N one converted to fit, top mounts are 205 Compbrake items, but only give 2.5ish negative camber so I need to either get some new hubs or wishbones at somepoint!

Clocks reset everytime you turn the kill switch on, and if you cut again before they go to zero they freeze like that!

Got the beam fitted today, Miles got the height spot on, it's got a good ammount of toe and camber, and next to no droop with the 25mm torsion bars. Carbon door cards and quick shift are now also fitted, just need to sort a leaky brake fitting tomorrow and it's pretty much ready for it's first outing at Brands in 3 weeks.

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Posted 3rd Oct 2010 at 01:47
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Post #178
do you need more than 2.5 due to the tyres you want to run?

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Posted 3rd Oct 2010 at 01:53
miles

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Post #179
Phew, I hate 25mm bars they are a right pain in the ****
Be good to know the camber and toe and the differance's in both sides

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Posted 3rd Oct 2010 at 03:55
soton_s16

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Post #180
Sounds like it coming along nicely Cool

What is the spec of the beam to get negative camber?

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Posted 3rd Oct 2010 at 20:30
pdd144c

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Post #181
All the FWD cars I've been involved with running or driven have always run best on R888s with around 4 degrees negative on the front, they work with less, but just not as good on turn in. Think I may start a seperate thread on this as I may well have to make something to suit, thinking along the lines of new extended ball joints, and converted to a sperical bearing to allow a spacer to be used to get the geometry correct once the car is lowered a lot. Just like my old Seat Cupra basically!

Camber is bang on 3 both sides Miles, toe was equal but can't remember how much now!

Camber and toe is achieved by machining the trailing arms to suit, Martin from on here did the work for me.

Got the final few bits sorted today, just engine and gearbox oil to change, new MOT, check the mapping, some rollcage padding to fit and the remaining stickers and I'm good to go!

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Posted 4th Oct 2010 at 00:37
shakey

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Post #182
Lovely car, great thread - Wonna sell it ??
Posted 4th Oct 2010 at 02:58
welshpug!

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Post #183
Speak to martin about getting more camber in the front hubs, I remember him sorting something with the hub carriers with an oversized hub-stut clamp with an eccentric+angled shim, much like the group A 205/309 hubs.

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Posted 4th Oct 2010 at 03:03
pdd144c

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Post #184
Nah not unless you give me silly money.

Ah ok, did Peugeot Sport ever make anything similar for the 306? Any reason that the 205 ones can't be used?! Been a while since I've looked at a 205 hub!

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Posted 4th Oct 2010 at 03:17
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Post #185
I don't know if there was anything like that for the 306, might be an idea to ask Carl Chambers nicely if you can have a peek at his Touring car.

For using 205 hubs on a 306, they use a smaller 16mm balljoint pin like a phase 1 306 so they may need replacing more often, not that they are expensive. (have to be 1.9 hubs to fit the driveshafts and discs)

they're also not the hollow cast construction of later 306 hubs, though I don't think that affects them much.


There's also the factor of getting hold of any, I only remember seeing one set on ebay or the forums in the past few years.

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Posted 4th Oct 2010 at 03:22
miles

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Post #186
Same fitting in the damper area so the theory will suit both, I know the ones I had on my 309 when sleeved to gain some neggy which was a direct copy of the old PTS one's.
I would think that any 306 phase 1 hub would be fine, I know most 309's used the 205 1.9 type hub.

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Posted 4th Oct 2010 at 04:04
pdd144c

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Post #187
Mmm... Thank you both for the info! Will give Martin a shout as he is also making some new hubs for his. Where did you get them sleeved Miles? Something you can still have done? Or do you still have the 309 ones so we could get them copied?! Just seen the 306 Peugeot Sport wishbone kit, but at something silly like £700 plus VAT I'll exhaust all other avenues first! Still like the idea of a new design of ball joint, as they could be bolt on and could be supplied as a kit once developed.

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Posted 6th Oct 2010 at 00:46
miles

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Post #188
Went with the car, I think Allen Allen has it up North, Neil had it done years ago but I'll find out if he can still get it done

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Road, Track and Race/Rally car preparation to your personal requirements,
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We now also carry out Routine Servicing
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Posted 6th Oct 2010 at 01:29
pdd144c

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Post #189
Cheers. Yeah Rob said he thought Neil used to have them done.

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Posted 6th Oct 2010 at 02:15
Denis

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Post #190
I just recently sold to Sweden my front hubs with extra camber Doh Basically the socket for the damper was drilled out at an angle and sleeves made up to clump the strut. Ash got mine done, but unless several sets are machined it is not economical to do any more. I think that Skip Brown can do the machining as well.

I am actually working on some new top mounts with extra 2 deg of castor and adjustable camber 1 to ~4deg. Not sure when they are going to be ready - just finishing the draft drawings.

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Posted 6th Oct 2010 at 03:45
welshpug!

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Post #191
BBM have started selling their top mounts, castor and camber adjustable, though not sure quite how much you can get with them.

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Posted 6th Oct 2010 at 22:57
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Post #192
miles wrote:
Went with the car, I think Allen Allen has it up North, Neil had it done years ago but I'll find out if he can still get it done


Unfortunatley I didn't get the hubs with the shell and I believe the guy I got the shell off had already moved them on.

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Posted 7th Oct 2010 at 00:10
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Post #193
Great car this! Been watching this build quite closley, great attention to detail Smile

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Posted 8th Oct 2010 at 14:41
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Post #194
I think saw you today on the A31. Does it have a number 91 on the rear quarter?

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Posted 11th Oct 2010 at 04:41
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Post #195
How do you aim to get 4 then Dennis?

Shame that, I'm going to speak to a machine shop in the next week or so about costs to sleeve some.

Yeah might have been, number 94 on the doors and rear screen!

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Posted 11th Oct 2010 at 18:04
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Post #196
Trackday has been and gone, few issues to fix, nothing major though. I have just machined the front hubs to give an extra 2 degrees negative, will be fitted in the next week or so. If anyone wants any making let me know, be about £240 plus P&P if bare hubs are supplied, need the bearings removing before the work is carried out. I can do that for a few extra quid if needed.

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Posted 8th Dec 2010 at 12:35
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Post #197
pdd144c wrote:
Trackday has been and gone, few issues to fix, nothing major though. I have just machined the front hubs to give an extra 2 degrees negative, will be fitted in the next week or so. If anyone wants any making let me know, be about £240 plus P&P if bare hubs are supplied, need the bearings removing before the work is carried out. I can do for a few extra quid if needed.

Tempting, after Christmas though Smile
Posted 8th Dec 2010 at 04:51
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Post #198
Few pics from Brands:




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Posted 9th Dec 2010 at 02:37
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Post #199
Love where you working now then?

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Posted 9th Dec 2010 at 02:43
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Post #200
looks awsomeThumbs up

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